Actions by the crew that go overlooked?

[Tom]

Picard should not have gone back to captain right after BOBW, what was Starfleet thinking? He was assimilated, and this (Borg etc..) was all new for Starfleet at the time. How could they be sure something would not happen to Picard later on, and yet he can go back to commanding a ship with 1000 people on it? He should have been put on a some type of probation/evaluation period. Borg assimilation not withstanding, he clearly had PSTD issues (as somewhat seen in 'Family') , yet he is back in command of the Enterprise. It would have been interesting to have Riker for a while as captain, and have Picard stay on the ship in an evaluation period.

Oddly though, Starfleet finally does think about this 6 years later in 'First Contact' keeping the Enterprise away from the battle with the Borg near Earth.

 

[at Quark's]

Oddly though, Starfleet finally does think about this 6 years later in 'First Contact' keeping the Enterprise away from the battle with the Borg near Earth.

Admiral 1: The Borg are invading and will be here in 17 hours! Recall all ships and fleets in the local area for emergency defense,
Admiral 2: OK. Recalling solar defense fleet, Vulcan deployment squadron, Enterprise-E, Andorian Anti-Aggression Auxiliaries, Tellar-
Admiral 1: Hold it, the Enterprise-E? Isn't that Picard's ship ?
Admiral 2: Yeah, so we'd definitely need him, if anyone knows about the Borg's vulnerabilities, it would be him.
Admiral 1: I agree, we need him... but not right away. We have him, we defeat the Borg in 5 minutes. No big whoopie. No-one even hears about it perhaps. We don't have him, the Borg start blowing up our ships. Picard swoops in at the nick of time, and saves our *sses big time... the Dominion and the Romulans will hear it and will be deeply impressed. Let it cost us a few ships and men , it's worth the propaganda effect ! Mwuhahahahah!
Admrial 2: I suppose we could do it that way ... after all we are Starfleet admirals so we're supposed to be insane and evil ....But what do we tell Picard ?
Admiral 1: Oh, that's simple. Just make up some hogwash about "introducing an unstable element to a critical situation" . That will deter him for an hour or two, but when he hears how badly the battle goes, his hero instinct will take over and he will stick up his middle finger to our orders ... he is an Enterprise Captain, after all ... those are so easily manipulated ...

 

[Tenacity]

The whole blood transfusion refusal forever coloured my perception of Worf.

Worf's refusal was (imho) one of Worf's finest defining moments, it established that Worf wasn't just a Human with a funny forehead, he was different than the people around him.

 

[NewHeavensNewEarth]

The whole blood transfusion refusal forever coloured my perception of Worf.
I have a deep and abiding hatred of the character ever since and the idea that he would someday advance to a Starfleet captaincy is anathema to me.

That's just a snapshot of him. Later on, he's confessing his love for a woman who's half-Romulan.

His entire view of Romulans was formed by the fact that they killed his parents. That kind of hatred isn't turned around overnight, but his later progress is undeniable.

 

[Mojochi]

That's just a snapshot of him. Later on, he's confessing his love for a woman who's half-Romulan.

His entire view of Romulans was formed by the fact that they killed his parents. That kind of hatred isn't turned around overnight, but his later progress is undeniable.

& yet, he's still Klinging to so much crap, even by season 7, when he's still trying to jam his narrow vision of culture down his partially human son's throat. For a guy with a quarter human son, a half human mate, & entirely adopted human family, two other non-Klingon relationships to his credit, a half Romulan romance of the week, & what, like 1 Klingon friend? it's just silly for him to be so closed off about varied cultural stuff. It's fair to say, that he's a character who's gradually breaking out of his closemindedness, but it sure would've been nice for him to have admitted that in some significant way

That said, I chose to move past him letting the Romulan die in The Enemy, right about the time he spared the life of Toral. That showed a progress along the same line imho. Every other Klingon would've just killed him there, because in reality Toral was spun into a conspiracy that involved people directly connected to killing his son's mother, namely the whole Duras clan. For him to show mercy to the boy, meant something had changed in him

 

[Farscape One]

And the biggest turnaround for Worf regarding Romulans... STAR TREK NEMESIS. For all its faults, at least the movie did a little development for him, because for HIM to say someone acted with honor... STAR TREK has few compliments higher than that.

 

[flandry84]

Worf's refusal was (imho) one of Worf's finest defining moments, it established that Worf wasn't just a Human with a funny forehead, he was different than the people around him.

For family reasons the blood transfusion issue hit home for me.
The idea that someone would point blank refuse to save someones life like that is personally the turning point for me on Worf.
Yes he isn’t human but neither is Spock,Saru,Torres or Dax.Could you see any of those people do something like that?Worf’s upbringing was largely human no?(a fact conveniently forgotten by the writers now and again).
The uniform stands for something’s or it doesn’t.Letting someone(even a hated enemy)die like that brings shame to that uniform.

 

[gakelly]

I think events like Worf refusing to give his blood made the episode enjoyable. Too often Star Trek has a nice tidy ending where everything is a wonderful, happy event.
Things like the refusal show people do have feelings and emotions that are very difficult to overcome.

 

[Mojochi]

I think events like Worf refusing to give his blood made the episode enjoyable. Too often Star Trek has a nice tidy ending where everything is a wonderful, happy event.
Things like the refusal show people do have feelings and emotions that are very difficult to overcome.

And if flies in the face of all those claims that they're all too perfect & boring. Spoiler alert! Worf let's a Romulan die for vengeance, kills Duras for the same, is generally a shitty dad. Riker is haunted by his involvement in letting an entire ship be destroyed. Picard was used for near genocide. Wesley is complicit in a classmate dying. Lwaxana has been hiding a dead daughter the whole time. Data ends the life of his brother, for all intents & purposes

Sure, they neatly sweep a lot of that under the rug, in order to keep the episodic nature of the show intact, but in some ways, that's realistic too, because that's what we ALL do. We try to cover up & hide from our dark little secrets & transgressions. They don't always blow up in some dramatic context for general viewership. THAT'S just as unrealistic imho

 

[Discofan]

...Riker is haunted by his involvement in letting an entire ship be destroyed..

Not really. He felt guilty for siding with his captain. He had nothing to do with their deaths. In fact, had he sided with the crew he would have probably died with them.

. Picard was used for near genocide.

What are you talking about?

Wesley is complicit in a classmate dying.

No. He was complicit in the covering up of the circumstances of his death. The classmate died because he agreed to do a dangerous maneuver that he wasn't competent to execute.
Wesley had nothing to do with that.

Lwaxana has been hiding a dead daughter the whole time.

Ok, she is a little bizarre but we already knew that, didn't we?

Data ends the life of his brother, for all intents & purposes

I disagree. He switched him off. Other people dismantled him. Data has been switched off several times (once during his trial). That's not the same as ending his life.

 

[JirinPanthosa]

I got the impression that if the Romulan had asked him for his blood instead of saying he’d “Rather die than pollute his body with Klingon filth” Worf probably would have relented.

Picard should have ordered him to give his blood though given the diplomatic situation. If things had gone any differently on the planet it would have led to war.

 

[JirinPanthosa]

Regarding Wesley, he agreed to the stunt knowing it could lead to a death. They are all responsible.

Regarding Data, he knew very well his shutting off Lore was final. To him it was the same decision he made with Fajo.

 

[Discofan]

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Picard should have ordered him to give his blood though given the diplomatic situation. If things had gone any differently on the planet it would have led to war.

I think there are laws that prevent Picard from giving such an order. Worf's blood is his own. I don't think you can legally force someone today to give his/her blood, let alone in the future.

 

[JirinPanthosa]

I think there are laws that prevent Picard from giving such an order. Worf's blood is his own. I don't think you can legally force someone today to give his/her blood, let alone in the future.

In a military situation I doubt that’s the case. And Worf explicitly told Picard “If you order me to I will do it”. Picard considered it for a few moments and chose not to. It’s a case of putting principle first but, next to I Borg, the biggest example of a case pragmatism should have won out.

 

[Mojochi]

Not really. He felt guilty for siding with his captain. He had nothing to do with their deaths. In fact, had he sided with the crew he would have probably died with them.

He raised arms to aid the captain, against a crew that rightly mutinied against their captain's illegal actions. I'm not saying he knew what his action meant, but had he not done that, the mutiny might have succeeded, and all loss of life might have been averted. By his own admission, those people died because they, Riker & Pressman, did things that they shouldn't have. I'm not saying he ought to be jailed over it, but it is a dark chapter, that I'm sure the families of the victims might hold him with some contempt over

What are you talking about?

The Borg used him for near genocide. His attitudes in the 1st Contact movie indicate he is not over that, & it's a dark chapter that many haven't overlooked

No. He was complicit in the covering up of the circumstances of his death. The classmate died because he agreed to do a dangerous maneuver that he wasn't competent to execute.
Wesley had nothing to do with that.

The classmate agreed with WESLEY to do a banned maneuver that historically proved fatal, & then died. Wesley is complicit in encouraging him to do so. They all are. I'm not accusing these people of murder. I'm saying they played a role in his death

Ok, she is a little bizarre but we already knew that, didn't we?

She's quirky yes, but this is a situation where she hid the death of her child from Deanna. It's not a crime, & it is understandable. Again, I'm not indicting people here. I'm saying they aren't as squeaky clean as the general claim suggests

I disagree. He turned him off. Other people dismantled him. Data has been turned off several times (once during his trial). That's not the same as ending his life.

He took a justified act to cease his brother from living, with the intention to report that he should be disassembled, & not be allowed life again under current conditions. We don't know the conditions for which he'd allow it, & I suspect if Lore could be sorted out so he wasn't a danger, Data would have every intention to let him, but still, as justified as it is, it's still a moral quandry, one that people who claim the show is full of perfect characters are overlooking imho

 

[Discofan]

Regarding Wesley, he agreed to the stunt knowing it could lead to a death. They are all responsible.

Wesley is only responsible for agreeing to do the maneuver and then the covering-up. He's not responsible for the actions of his friend.

Regarding Data, he knew very well his shutting off Lore was final.

What Data knew doesn't matter. He's not the one who decided to "kill" Lore, nor is he the one who did the deed.
What you're saying is tantamount to say that a cop that arrests a killer in a country with the death penalty is responsible for his execution. The cop has no control over THAT!!!

To him, it was the same decision he made with Fajo.

In the Case of Fajo, Data tried to kill him, that completely different!!! Also, Fajo likely wasn't killed since the federation doesn't have the death penalty, except for androids apparently.

 

[Mojochi]

I just don't get how people can overlook what even the characters themselves admit were either wrongs they did, or questionable /difficult choices they had to make. They've done things, things that were either bad calls, or hard calls, & even if justified, they aren't cut & dry

 

[Nakita Akita]

Yes, it is appalling how easily Picard got off after his Locutus-episode, when he was under Borg influence. The man was responsible for thousands of deaths. Or is he excused because in his case that influence was mostly irresistible ? Even in this case, not completely irresistible; after all he still managed to say "sleep" to Data.

I'd say there are all kinds of degrees to how far that influence goes and that those should be taken into account when determining how accountable someone was during his actions. I agree that this rarely -if ever- happens in the aftermath of such "influence" episodes.

But that's just it he wasn't Picard he was Locutus.

 

[Nakita Akita]

The whole blood transfusion refusal forever coloured my perception of Worf.
I have a deep and abiding hatred of the character ever since and the idea that he would someday advance to a Starfleet captaincy is anathema to me.

But the Romukan said that he didn't want filty Klingon blood anyway.

 

[Discofan]

But that's just it he wasn't Picard he was Locutus.

They call him that because he never shuts up!!