Voyager missed the opportunity to allow the characters to define what "Home" is in the finale? It's just lazy storytelling to believe the entire crew had the same one dimensional sentiment.
Absolute Worst Voyager Episode Ever?
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Threshold is up there, but to me the worst episode not only in Voyager, but in all Trek history, is False Profits.
Everything about this episode is so incredibly stupid. They should have gotten home ten times over in this episode. First it was stupid they took it on themselves to police the Ferengi. Second, they came up with ridiculous reasons they couldn't just beam out of there. Third, these people were written so bad they seemed like a planet of helpless infants. WINGS OF FIRE! WINGS OF FIRE! Holy crap. They were probably better off WITH the Ferengi. Fourth, even after all that they required inept security for them to fail to get home at the end.
All of that on top of bringing the Ferengi back to the obnoxious cartoon characters DS9 worked so hard to drag them away from.
Threshold is up there, but to me the worst episode not only in Voyager, but in all Trek history, is False Profits.
Everything about this episode is so incredibly stupid. They should have gotten home ten times over in this episode. First it was stupid they took it on themselves to police the Ferengi. Second, they came up with ridiculous reasons they couldn't just beam out of there. Third, these people were written so bad they seemed like a planet of helpless infants. WINGS OF FIRE! WINGS OF FIRE! Holy crap. They were probably better off WITH the Ferengi. Fourth, even after all that they required inept security for them to fail to get home at the end.
All of that on top of bringing the Ferengi back to the obnoxious cartoon characters DS9 worked so hard to drag them away from.
Just saw Fury, and this time, I didn’t hate it. Sure, I still had the visceral Yuck!, when I would see old Kes, but I didn’t skip it, and by the end, it was okay, even with thicker Kes.
But the Chakotay/Seven thing.......YUCK.
But the Chakotay/Seven thing.......YUCK.
I will always hate that sick, insulting season 6 episode.
As for the Chakotay/Seven thing, it was just stupid.
Endgame for me. Some of the others mentioned are bad but there are some small parts that are OK. Threshold had some strong scenes for Tom as he was being changed. The Fight did showcase the fear of becoming mentally ill. Fury is tougher. It pretty much destroys the character of Kes but it is not a finale episode.
Endgame is so bad imo because it is a finale wrapping up 7 years of episodes and showcases what went wrong with the show in so many different ways. From the Borg becoming cartoon villians, poorly executed romances, Janeway breaking the rule about time travel to further her own agenda after spending seasons defending it (Year of Hell anyone), and leaving the audience unsatisfied by never actually landing on earth, the episode feels like it was written by someone who had never watched an episode of Voyager and just threw something together at the last minute.
But for me the worse was that the story was pretty much all about 'Janeway' to the rescue, both for her ship, her best friends, and herself. On a show with a strong ensemble cast, it was beyond frustrating.
Add in the cobbled together reasons that were never introduced in previous episodes (Tuvok sick, 7/Chakotay romance that leads to 7 dying and Chakotay never recovering), it smacks of lousy foreshadowing. They could easily have forshadowed 7/Chakotay in the previous episode yet nothing. It's like the episode was written in a vacuum.
As a stand alone episode it wouldn't be so bad, as a finale to 7 years, it is irredeemable. Shattered would have been a much better finale imho.
Endgame is so bad imo because it is a finale wrapping up 7 years of episodes and showcases what went wrong with the show in so many different ways. From the Borg becoming cartoon villians, poorly executed romances, Janeway breaking the rule about time travel to further her own agenda after spending seasons defending it (Year of Hell anyone), and leaving the audience unsatisfied by never actually landing on earth, the episode feels like it was written by someone who had never watched an episode of Voyager and just threw something together at the last minute.
But for me the worse was that the story was pretty much all about 'Janeway' to the rescue, both for her ship, her best friends, and herself. On a show with a strong ensemble cast, it was beyond frustrating.
Add in the cobbled together reasons that were never introduced in previous episodes (Tuvok sick, 7/Chakotay romance that leads to 7 dying and Chakotay never recovering), it smacks of lousy foreshadowing. They could easily have forshadowed 7/Chakotay in the previous episode yet nothing. It's like the episode was written in a vacuum.
As a stand alone episode it wouldn't be so bad, as a finale to 7 years, it is irredeemable. Shattered would have been a much better finale imho.
One really dumb thing about Endgame that doesn't get enough attention is the fact that Admiral Janeway was willing to undo 26 years, including 16 years in the Delta Quadrant. Now think about that. She was basically willing to undo 16 seasons of the show - that's more than twice as much as we actually saw as the audience. We're not supposed to really think about that and just assume nothing important happened in that time because we don't see it, but that's just plain silly. And then there's Shattered, which aired earlier that season.
I don't think "Blood Fever" is getting nearly enough hate here.
I'm not even sure I can decide what was most maddening about this episode. That Vorik essentially went unpunished for what amounted to attempted rape? That his actions were basically excused because well, Vulcans will be Vulcans? That the men on the away team didn't have a problem with suggesting B'Elanna alleviate her condition by mating with the guy who inflicted it on her? (Only Paris, who clings tenaciously to the concept of consent, acquits himself relatively well in this mess.) That the entire plot was a poorly-contrived excuse for a fanservicey "B'Elanna in heat" episode? "OMG, B'Elanna has to have sex or she will die! OMG, OMG!"
That wouldn't even make a good 50s B-movie, and to sit there and watch that crap in the 90s? Yeah, how about not?
To add insult to injury, it makes no sense that the Doctor should have so little information about pon farr. We're talking about a condition that will affect every adult Vulcan every seven years, and if untreated will result in the death of that Vulcan. It also places those around the affected person at risk of injury, or rape, or death. I don't care how reticent the Vulcans are on the subject -- when we know this happened in at least one case where a non-Vulcan (Captain Kirk) was nearly killed, it's appalling to think that Starfleet would allow the Vulcans to continue to suppress this information. Seriously, after "Amok Time," they should have told the Vulcans, "Look, either tell us what we need to know about this or it's too dangerous for us to let your people continue to serve."
I'm not even sure I can decide what was most maddening about this episode. That Vorik essentially went unpunished for what amounted to attempted rape? That his actions were basically excused because well, Vulcans will be Vulcans? That the men on the away team didn't have a problem with suggesting B'Elanna alleviate her condition by mating with the guy who inflicted it on her? (Only Paris, who clings tenaciously to the concept of consent, acquits himself relatively well in this mess.) That the entire plot was a poorly-contrived excuse for a fanservicey "B'Elanna in heat" episode? "OMG, B'Elanna has to have sex or she will die! OMG, OMG!"
That wouldn't even make a good 50s B-movie, and to sit there and watch that crap in the 90s? Yeah, how about not?To add insult to injury, it makes no sense that the Doctor should have so little information about pon farr. We're talking about a condition that will affect every adult Vulcan every seven years, and if untreated will result in the death of that Vulcan. It also places those around the affected person at risk of injury, or rape, or death. I don't care how reticent the Vulcans are on the subject -- when we know this happened in at least one case where a non-Vulcan (Captain Kirk) was nearly killed, it's appalling to think that Starfleet would allow the Vulcans to continue to suppress this information. Seriously, after "Amok Time," they should have told the Vulcans, "Look, either tell us what we need to know about this or it's too dangerous for us to let your people continue to serve."
And to extend that logic, why pick that time to get them home? With the knowledge of the future and the tech she had, she could have gone back to the beginning of the journey, or to be sure to bring Seven back, travel back to a point right after "SCORPION, PART II".
Reg Barclay certainly ran a lot of wacky Voyager holodeck simulations, didn't he?
Reg Barclay certainly ran a lot of wacky Voyager holodeck simulations, didn't he?
You've mentioned an element which bothered me about the episode; in the episode the focal point or Admiral Janeway's motivation was 7 dying before Voyager reaches home. What makes her think 7 won't drop dead as soon the ship lands on Earth or passes through Earth's atmosphere??? What I loved about some inventive movies like "Final Destination" is how you can't escape fate or we're more connected to the universe as one would not believe and fate makes a course correction to correct what was meant to be. If she died in some future date; then when that date comes she'll meet it! 7 dying was a ridiculous reason for her call to action. What makes her life so special??? I would expect Janeway to have the same regret and bemoan loss for every personnel lost on that Voyage. I can't believe the writers wrote that. I was stunned this bullsh*t was Janeway's motivation for her journey.
Well, he did but the best way to simply do away with all the crap in the season 6 s**t episode is to present a solution which clearly confirm that the mean ugly witch we saw in that pathetic excuse for a Star trek episode wasn't the real Kes but some being from a mirror Universe or Suspiria in disguise.
I actually share your opinion about "Blood Fever" which is actually a horrible episode. OK, not among the 5 worst but still a horrible episode.I don't think "Blood Fever" is getting nearly enough hate here.
I'm not even sure I can decide what was most maddening about this episode. That Vorik essentially went unpunished for what amounted to attempted rape? That his actions were basically excused because well, Vulcans will be Vulcans? That the men on the away team didn't have a problem with suggesting B'Elanna alleviate her condition by mating with the guy who inflicted it on her? (Only Paris, who clings tenaciously to the concept of consent, acquits himself relatively well in this mess.) That the entire plot was a poorly-contrived excuse for a fanservicey "B'Elanna in heat" episode? "OMG, B'Elanna has to have sex or she will die! OMG, OMG!"
To add insult to injury, it makes no sense that the Doctor should have so little information about pon farr. We're talking about a condition that will affect every adult Vulcan every seven years, and if untreated will result in the death of that Vulcan. It also places those around the affected person at risk of injury, or rape, or death. I don't care how reticent the Vulcans are on the subject -- when we know this happened in at least one case where a non-Vulcan (Captain Kirk) was nearly killed, it's appalling to think that Starfleet would allow the Vulcans to continue to suppress this information. Seriously, after "Amok Time," they should have told the Vulcans, "Look, either tell us what we need to know about this or it's too dangerous for us to let your people continue to serve."
It's actually at the bottom of my seasons 1-3 Voyager episodes list together with the downright boring "Emanations".
Or a Reg Barclay holo-program. He was known for getting a few things wrong.
Seriously! Joe Carey in particular should have spent more time networking with Janeway. Didn't he get killed just before the finale, in his first appearance in SIX YEARS? (Brief alternate-timeline cameos aside) I can nod along with some handwave-y explanation for why Janeway had to save them at around this point in the timeline, but she couldn't set the dates of her temporal rescue mission for TWO WEEKS earlier to save this husband and father of two?
God, the whole story of Voyager really is contained in the story of Joe Carey. In season 1, he presents many intriguing possibilities. Who knows what those were come season 2, when the writers forget it all entirely, to the extent that they don't even remember the character is still alive, since he only pops up to communicate The Past. But then they remember he's alive -- so let's kill him off! As if this is what effective drama is, and not some of the cheapest, laziest, most half-baked story plotting I've ever seen.
