Absolute Worst Voyager Episode Ever?

[jaegermistress]

1. Timeless. I've seen a ****ton of ST and no one will ever convince me that this isn't a completely pointless and overrated episode that is ultimately resolved by the Doctor, not Harry. No emotional padding from Janeway can give me back those 45 minutes.

2. Threshold is far worse than Cathexis. I'm actually surprised to see so many people put down Cathexis, but whatever, it's all good.

3. Tuvix was pretty awful.

4. Wasn't Jetrel just a weaker Voyager adaptation of that one DS9 episode? Weak.

5. Demon was terrible (again, Harry Kim), but Course: Oblivion had this totally morbid and macabre potential that wasn't fully exploited. I don't like how either was executed.

Looking on this list, I'm prone to not like Harry Kim or emotional Neelix episodes. They just don't work for me.

 

[TedShatner10]

"Favourite Son" was very, very bad. "Q and the Grey" was a bad Q episode that was as terrible as Q's earlier TNG episodes.

 

[Michael]

I thought "Mortal Coil" was horrible.

First Neelix is killed but brought back to life by Seven, who as usually is using her super-powers to save the scene. Then we have Braga, pouring his atheist propaganda over us and at the same time crushing poor Neelix's hope to see his loved ones again. Depressing and horrible.

Atheist propaganda? I didn't notice anything of that in Mortal Coil. If anything, the episode actually presented the one true virtue of faith, i.e. spending consolation and comfort to people who are suffering great emotional stress. Whether Neelix' beliefs were valid or not doesn't factor into it. The point is, they did have a positive effect on Neelix' ability to cope with his loss. For me, that is the message of Mortal Coil. And it's a rather theist one, if you think about it.

 

[exodus]

I thought "Mortal Coil" was horrible.

First Neelix is killed but brought back to life by Seven, who as usually is using her super-powers to save the scene. Then we have Braga, pouring his atheist propaganda over us and at the same time crushing poor Neelix's hope to see his loved ones again. Depressing and horrible.

Atheist propaganda? I didn't notice anything of that in Mortal Coil. If anything, the episode actually presented the one true virtue of faith, i.e. spending consolation and comfort to people who are suffering great emotional stress. Whether Neelix' beliefs were valid or not doesn't factor in it. The point is, they did have a positive effect on Neelix' ability to cope with his loss. For me, that is the message of Mortal Coil. And it's a rather theist one, if you think about it.

I agree.

By showing Niomi at the end dreaming she's in Neelix "forrest" is showing that faith prevails.

 

[Zameaze]

Well, I'm rather surprised that "Twisted" didn't make anyone's list. Any opinions on that episode, good or bad?

 

[Admiral Shran]

Atheist propaganda? I didn't notice anything of that in Mortal Coil. If anything, the episode actually presented the one true virtue of faith, i.e. spending consolation and comfort to people who are suffering great emotional stress. Whether Neelix' beliefs were valid or not doesn't factor into it. The point is, they did have a positive effect on Neelix' ability to cope with his loss. For me, that is the message of Mortal Coil. And it's a rather theist one, if you think about it.

I agree.

By showing Niomi at the end dreaming she's in Neelix "forrest" is showing that faith prevails.

I agree with these. The episode showed that faith can prevail, and offer comfort to people in emotional stress, even in the face of no evidence.

 

[jaegermistress]

Well, I'm rather surprised that "Twisted" didn't make anyone's list. Any opinions on that episode, good or bad?

It was cute. It was a bit unbelievable but I enjoyed it. It wasn't deep or anything, and Chakotay and B'Elanna were kind of irritating, so I guess it was just okay.

 

[Zameaze]

Well, I'm rather surprised that "Twisted" didn't make anyone's list. Any opinions on that episode, good or bad?

It was cute. It was a bit unbelievable but I enjoyed it. It wasn't deep or anything, and Chakotay and B'Elanna were kind of irritating, so I guess it was just okay.

I think they missed their chance not going a bit more Vincenzo Natali with it.

 

[Mareika]

Well, I'm rather surprised that "Twisted" didn't make anyone's list. Any opinions on that episode, good or bad?

It was cute. It was a bit unbelievable but I enjoyed it. It wasn't deep or anything, and Chakotay and B'Elanna were kind of irritating, so I guess it was just okay.

I liked it a lot. Well, it may be unbelievable, but I think it´s entertaining.
What do you mean with: "Chakotay and B'Elanna were kind of irritating" ?

The worst episodes for me are
-Heroes & Demons
-Favorite Son
-Once Apon A Time
-11.59

 

[stj]

I can't quite agree that an episode featuring a character you don't like or honestly presenting a theme you don't care for qualifies as worst.

But Equinox, Tattoo and Blood Fever are not just incompetently written but offensive.

Equinox because it stacks the deck against Janeway (including refusing to show other people even noticing they were left to die!) while excusing Ransom's crimes for no reason other than to show Janeway acting mean. Tuvix could at least could be interpreted as focusing on a moral dilemma.

Tattoo because making Indians part alien doesn't make them cool, it's just plain stupid and offensive. And is a terrific example of how "character driven drama" is often a synonym for stupid fantasy about a character a viewer identifies with (or identifies as a sexual ideal.)

Blood Fever because it puts the two weakest characters, Paris and Torres, in a foolish plot that plays with the worst kinds of backwardness about sex and race for more dumb ass character development.

 

[Locutus]

I'm rather surprised that I don't think that I saw "Spirit Folk" and that other one set in the Irish village mentioned in this thread. I can watch pretty much any episode of Voyager, but those two are the ones that I pretty much flip away from the moment I come across them.

 

[di_mar]

I hated The Fight too. I was hoping that wasn't just me. I kind of left the room to do other stuff when it was on. But yawn.. Chakotay in a ring.. ok? It didn't appeal to me.

 

[Joeman]

I'm rather surprised that I don't think that I saw "Spirit Folk" and that other one set in the Irish village mentioned in this thread. I can watch pretty much any episode of Voyager, but those two are the ones that I pretty much flip away from the moment I come across them.

I think I recall seeing Spirit Folk and Fair Haven on at least one, maybe two lists. You are not alone. Personally, I really enjoyed both of them.

edit: Actually it was in this thread http://www.trekbbs.com/showthread.php?t=117934 about the worst eps of Trek ever.

If you disliked those, then you should read GodBen's reviews of those eps. DevilEyes referred me to them, and you'd likely appreciated them...

Fair Haven
Spirit Folk

I scored them 8/10 and 9/10 respectively, but he scored them both ZERO, and only because he can't give a negative score.

 

[kimc]

"Endgame". Not only did they combine the two most overused plot devices in Trek - time travel and the borg - but then they mixed in a questionable moral decision on Janeway's part along with that icky C/7. Result? A big expensive mess.

 

[di_mar]

Yes. Endgame was incredibly hurried, which did ruin it. Personally, I am wishing for a Voyager continuation film

 

[Adm_Hawthorne]

"Endgame". Not only did they combine the two most overused plot devices in Trek - time travel and the borg - but then they mixed in a questionable moral decision on Janeway's part along with that icky C/7. Result? A big expensive mess.

I have to agree with this. It was, perhaps, one of the worse Trek end episodes ever, and I also felt there was no closure for what was clearly the end of the Voyager crew's story.

 

[tvih]

Yeah, I'd have to go with Endgame probably. There were certainly some subpar episodes in the series earlier as well, but the episode that ends a series is always very important. And in the case of Voyager, it's just such a lame letdown that it leaves a bad taste. TNG and DS9 both had good ending episodes, so I wonder why they had to mess it up so badly in Voyager and ENT...

 

[jaegermistress]

I actually didn't hate Endgame. Yes, it was hurried and rushed and didn't provide accurate closure, but what were we expecting? At least things actually happened that were relevant to the plot, unlike What You Leave Behind. I also thought All Good Things was too self-indulgent and didn't do much for the crew of the Enterprise-D.

I also love seeing Borg cubes explode on command! What fun!

I also find it hard to believe that people who watched Voyager were expecting some masterpiece of a conclusion. You knew it was going to be some cop-out of a way home, and there was a 99.9% chance the Borg would be involved, or at least crash the homecoming party.

 

[exodus]

I actually didn't hate Endgame. Yes, it was hurried and rushed and didn't provide accurate closure, but what were we expecting?

I also find it hard to believe that people who watched Voyager were expecting some masterpiece of a conclusion. You knew it was going to be some cop-out of a way home, and there was a 99.9% chance the Borg would be involved, or at least crash the homecoming party.

Yep, exactly.

 

[Adm_Hawthorne]

I think, with 'Endgame', I was hoping for something outside the box. I know what you're thinking, and you would be correct. But, I was young and naive to the world.