No offense, but...no.
A Yesterday’s Enterprise movie
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No offense, but...no.
Oh absolutely theres no way (back then) anything like that would've even been considered .. however since the JJ films never really got going beyond the 2009 film in hindsight teasing a YE movie woudve have been a major event/incentive for movie 2 (and would've been an incentive to make the sequel happen quicker)
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Generations was simply a case of several bad ideas and the wrong writers for such a project. They should have hired some TOS people to make sure that the crossover was what it should have been.
I love the idea of a Yesterday's Enterprise type of story, but probably not for a first movie, since as others have pointed out, you'd be dealing primarily with alternate versions of the main characters. It would have to be adapted so that maybe the TNG crew is somehow protected from the changes in the timeline. Maybe the anomaly protected them like it did in FC. If they could do this story where Kirk and crew does NOT die and we see an epic battle rather than imagine it, it would have worked.
I love the idea of a Yesterday's Enterprise type of story, but probably not for a first movie, since as others have pointed out, you'd be dealing primarily with alternate versions of the main characters. It would have to be adapted so that maybe the TNG crew is somehow protected from the changes in the timeline. Maybe the anomaly protected them like it did in FC. If they could do this story where Kirk and crew does NOT die and we see an epic battle rather than imagine it, it would have worked.
Then you'd likely have the same problem in reverse, with TOS writers not really knowing how to write the TNG characters.
The only people who had experience writing both TOS and TNG would be D.C. Fontana and David Gerrold AFAIK, and I can't see either one of them being interested in the gig or being someone that Rick Berman wanted to hire. (Remember, Berman didn't even think to call Gerrold when they were doing a direct sequel to one of his episodes. Gerrold first heard about "Trials and Tribble-ations" through the grapevine and had to call Berman himself. Gerrold basically guilted Berman into giving him a cameo appearance when he asked Berman, "How it would look if I was asked about the DS9 episode at a con and I said that I didn't know anything about it?")
I think you'd have to have a combination. You don't want to see the TNG characters out of character, though ironically, in all subsequent movies, you pretty much did. I would have considered Judith and Gar Reeves Stevens. They were terrific writers in Star Trek, both TNG and TOS. When they were brought on board Enterprise, that show produced its best season. They were incredible with continuity, and I think they would have written a very good crossover. They did of course write several books with Shatner, plus a crossover story of their own.
The bottom line is this--the TOS crew started this phenomenon. The characters are a classic part of world pop culture. TNG was a worthy sequel, and the meeting of these two crews should have been so much better. I think they botched every crossover on TNG except the McCoy cameo in the first episode. In fact, I feel that the only time they ever truly did a good crossover was Trials and Tribbleations on DS9.
That episode was a 10.
Not that TNG didn't have great episodes, of course it did, but their crossovers with TOS were not their best work. But Generations was the ultimate slap in the face.
The problem is that you could substitute anyone for the TOS characters. Scotty could have been any time displaced old guy. Spock could have been any Vulcan. Kirk could have literally been any person that could fight.
I think that's why you needed to have the Enterprise A in it. You needed to have Kirk's brilliance. You needed to have the TOS crew do something great alongside the TNG crew to pump up everyone. Think the 50th anniversary of Doctor Who--multidoctor stories are not used to make prior doctors look bad or throw them away.
We needed something with equal billing that ended with Kirk and Picard returning to their proper times after a great mission where they work together.
Yeh, although the Ent A had been retired at the end of the last film and while it made sense to open VII with the Ent B but you really needed the Ent A and Ent D onscreen together to make it a real event
"Second star on the right, straight on 'til morning."
That was how ST6 ended.
Start the crossover movie with the same scene, pick it up from there. No Enterprise B required. No explanation for the TOS crew still being together required either. I wouldn't necessarily base this on Yesterday's Enterprise either. I would perhaps come up with something where the two ships meet in neutral territory, brought there by some alien, and have them work together.
Maybe even lighten it up a bit and bring Q and Trelane together--have them have an argument over Kirk v. Picard, mirroring fan arguments.
They agree to a contest of sorts. Kirk and Picard don't play ball, and end up outsmarting them.
Yeah, but we never see them go home.
So the E-A is taking one last trip around the block for old time's sake. Romulans start attacking both Fed and Klingon colonies/outposts, because Nanclus being unmasked just exposed their evil plans and they've got nothing to lose, so why not. One of the Klingon colonies attacked and the only ship in range is the E-A, naturally. It's already all beat to hell from the battle with Chang but Kirk does his Kirk magic and takes out 2 of the 3 Romulans before the E-A eats it. The Klingons see Kirk and crew and the Starfleet flagship die to save their colony.
Skip to TNG, and they can still do Worf's promotion ceremony and have the bit with Data's emotion chip and whatever about Picard's family dying in the fire. Then the time hole opens, the E-A comes through and you do the Wayne's World bloobity-boop and things change.
Then you go from there. Our heroes figure out the reason they're at war with the Klingons is because in their timeline the E-A fled the battle instead of sacrificing itself to save the colony in a final gesture that would have truly united the two peoples. You have to have cool/fun moments as the two casts meet and share moments together. blah blah blah. At the end, Kirk goes rogue and takes the E-A and goes back through the time hole and sacrifices himself to save the Klingon colony. All the E-A crew remains aboard the E-D as the timeline changes.
The E-D crew doesn't understand/doesn't remember what happened but the E-A crew does because to them it's all part of the same timeline - they didn't jump from one branch to another, they came up to the "alternate" branch through the trunk. If that makes sense. And they figure out a way to exist in the timeline alongside their potential other "future" selves or whatever just like Prime Spock did in the Kelvin timeline.
I don't buy the "alternate characters" hangup because the characters in the Yesterday's Enterprise split timeline were not very different at all. It wasn't like they were awful mirror universe parodies, they were the same characters basically.
The only thing I can't really figure out is what to do with Worf in the war timeline, although I think even his total unexplained absence would have poignancy by him having his whole big promotion scene and then reappearing at the end, which reinforces the notion they're back where they came from.
I always thought a Trials and Tribble-ations approach might have worked best. Initially from the point of view Kirk & crew, with the Ent-A heading home post STVI, and various TNG cast 'undercover' in the background in full monster maroons, before the reveal that they're there to stop an attempt at time meddling from a 24th century villain. Or it could have been set pre STVI, with the motive of the villain being to stop the Federation-Klingon peace process.
The TNG crew memory wiping the TOS crew, with the technic not working on Vulcans (a la Who Watches the Watchers), so Spock is complicit, would have been a nice denouement.
The TNG crew memory wiping the TOS crew, with the technic not working on Vulcans (a la Who Watches the Watchers), so Spock is complicit, would have been a nice denouement.
Sold!Awesome poster people would've been falling over in shock had that been 'coming soon' in cinema lobbys back in 94
I like this idea a lot. It reminds me a bit of The Brave and the Bold #200, that featured the Earth-2 (Golden Age) Batman and the Earth-1 (modern day) Batman fighting the same foe, 28 years apart. The two Batmen had never met before (the Golden Age Batman had been killed off several years before) and never met in this story. So they both "teamed up" without ever being aware of it!
Not a million miles away from the TOS/TNG novel Federation, either, come to think of it.
The best things about Yesterday's Enterprise were Captain Garrett and Lt. Castillo. I'd rather watch a movie about the Enterprise C than Generations.
Awesome poster people would've been falling over in shock had that been 'coming soon' in cinema lobbys back in 94
Shouldn't that be the 1701-A, and not the 1701-C?
I commissioned that poster - my concept fan edit movie mentioned above featured Kirk and co as passengers of the Enterprise-C not the -A
It's so I didn't have to cut the dialogue as much!
I commissioned that poster - my concept fan edit movie mentioned above featured Kirk and co as passengers of the Enterprise-C not the -A
You do realize Kirk would be 111 years old in 2344 (the year the Enterprise-C was destroyed)?
The film was more of a concept piece to show how it would work, not perfect nor in canon.
Based on this trailer
Oh I know; I was just breaking your balls
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Start the movie with Kirk bidding farewell to Spock, McCoy and Scott who use a shuttle to leave the Enterprise A. Then Kirk and a skeleton crew take the Enterprise A to be decommissioned but before they arrive at their destination they received a distress call from the Klingons who are under attack by the romulans then the movie plays out as did the episode and Kirk and the Enterprise crew decide that they must sacrifice themselves for the Galactic peace that they've seen that the 24th century has benefited from. This preserves the fact that we've seen Spock McCoy and Scott during the Next Generation run.
It's up to Takei, Nichols and Koenig to decide whether they want to have their character died heroically and appear in the movie or not.
Koenig has stated he wish his character could have had a glorious death scene. Takei may have declined cuz he was still dreaming of a captain Sulu series.
How do you get Nimoy to do a cameo at the beginning of the movie? You allow him to direct the movie. Kirk and a couple of The Originals sacrificing themselves nobly and honorably to save the future of the Federation would not be a bummer or a let down at all and would be clearly a lot better than Kurt's death in Generations
It's up to Takei, Nichols and Koenig to decide whether they want to have their character died heroically and appear in the movie or not.
Koenig has stated he wish his character could have had a glorious death scene. Takei may have declined cuz he was still dreaming of a captain Sulu series.
How do you get Nimoy to do a cameo at the beginning of the movie? You allow him to direct the movie. Kirk and a couple of The Originals sacrificing themselves nobly and honorably to save the future of the Federation would not be a bummer or a let down at all and would be clearly a lot better than Kurt's death in Generations
I think the biggest problem in a situation like the above is that the original characters are being killed at all. That's not really a good way to pass the torch. What I would have done is something that required the two Enterprises, maybe with Q, time travel, Trelane, both Q and Trelane, etc. But SOMETHING that brings the crews together.
Maybe Kirk's warp drive fails and he travels at the speed of light and time moves like Einsteinian physics.
Maybe something like what happened with Discovery, and the E-A ends up 80 years in the future.
What I would not do, under any circumstances, is kill any character. That to me is weak writing--a shock for the sake of shock.
For all the characters did, and for all they meant to the fans, they deserve a happy ending where they ride off into the sunset. ST6 did that very well.
Whether Kirk and crew return to the past would depend on whether Scotty, Spock and McCoy were with them, but we have to remember that Scotty thought that Kirk had rescued him.
To solve this problem, I would start the movie with Scotty's retirement, and have him go off on the Jenolen right at the beginning of the movie. That would establish a time for Kirk to disappear without Scotty knowing.
Spock and McCoy also would not be with them.
Let them have their adventure with the Enterprise-D, and Kirk and crew would end up time displaced in the 24th century, like the Bozeman.
The beauty is that Spock, McCoy and Scotty could enter the fray a little later in the movie, as they are alive in the 24th century.
I believe a story like this should be a feel good story--one that has the crews work together and impress the other.
None of this Batman v. Superman fighting crap. The conflict isn't between the crews--it's between the starships and their common foe.
Nobody dies. The torch can be passed without killing the torchbearer.
Maybe Kirk's warp drive fails and he travels at the speed of light and time moves like Einsteinian physics.
Maybe something like what happened with Discovery, and the E-A ends up 80 years in the future.
What I would not do, under any circumstances, is kill any character. That to me is weak writing--a shock for the sake of shock.
For all the characters did, and for all they meant to the fans, they deserve a happy ending where they ride off into the sunset. ST6 did that very well.
Whether Kirk and crew return to the past would depend on whether Scotty, Spock and McCoy were with them, but we have to remember that Scotty thought that Kirk had rescued him.
To solve this problem, I would start the movie with Scotty's retirement, and have him go off on the Jenolen right at the beginning of the movie. That would establish a time for Kirk to disappear without Scotty knowing.
Spock and McCoy also would not be with them.
Let them have their adventure with the Enterprise-D, and Kirk and crew would end up time displaced in the 24th century, like the Bozeman.
The beauty is that Spock, McCoy and Scotty could enter the fray a little later in the movie, as they are alive in the 24th century.
I believe a story like this should be a feel good story--one that has the crews work together and impress the other.
None of this Batman v. Superman fighting crap. The conflict isn't between the crews--it's between the starships and their common foe.
Nobody dies. The torch can be passed without killing the torchbearer.
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