A Tom Paris >= Nicholas Locarno Query

[Cepstrum]

^^^
another difference: Tom was on a legitimate mission; Nick was just trying to show-off in a banned flight exercise. Tom's crime was not the accident but not immediately admitting his responsibility. He *did* join the Maqius — another, but different type of crime — because of his frustration of being removed from Starfleet.

Nick was or should have been in a prison/penal colony from the time of his crime throughout all of VOY. Tom justly spent a mere two years in New Zealand. He was, in fact, a "model prisoner". He wasn't a murderer. Nick *was*.

And I will reiterate my belief for why they chose Tom as a quasi-Nick: rush for time. It's a nearly ready-made character. There's even the actor, too!

 

[Cepstrum]

And, I should add, where are our resident VOY experts, Adm Hawthorne, exodus, JanewayRlz, when we need them? I'd also like to hear more from Anwar.

 

[PorthosShadow]

I think I read on Memory Alpha that the reason was royalties and for a time that made sense. Then it occured to me that TV shows for a long time now have spun off characters into different series.
A good example is Miles O'Brien who was created for TNG who moved into a full time character in DS9. Apparently the royalties weren't too bad for that character but they were for Nicholas Locarno?

I figure that in the end when it came to Voyager Paramount was just being stingy and didn't feel like paying and instead created another character who was basically the same. I think they were just cheap bastards

 

[Guy Gardener]

O. It's also a matter of if the character is used by the original producer more than once, which qualifies it as a part of the over all franchise rather than a property which retains the rights towards the original creator who handed over most of those rights already for "some" money..

Ie.. Miles and Kieko were good to go.

 

[PorthosShadow]

O. It's also a matter of if the character is used by the original producer more than once, which qualifies it as a part of the over all franchise rather than a property which retains the rights towards the original creator who handed over most of those rights already for "some" money..

Ie.. Miles and Kieko were good to go.

So basically it's cheaper if the character show's up more than once, what kind of crazy crap is that? Oh wait, it's show business, lol.

 

[Anwar]

If a character/species/concept is used more than once in the show then said character/species/concept is now the property of the show and not of the original writer. This is why they kept using the Klingons, Romulans, Vulcans, Andorians, etc but we hardly ever saw the Tholians or Gorn. Miles and Keiko were used more than once on TNG and thus were now the property of Trek itself, Nick was used only once and remained the property of the original writer (Naren Shakar).

 

[Analog Kid]

Tom justly spent a mere two years in New Zealand.

The backhistory fails right there given that the Maquis as an organisation weren't even a year old by the time of Voyager's launch.

 

[Destructor]

Tom justly spent a mere two years in New Zealand.

The backhistory fails right there given that the Maquis as an organisation weren't even a year old by the time of Voyager's launch.

LOL- good point!

 

[exodus]

I just call it the "Law & Order Syndrome".
Where the same actor can play two different characters within the same related series and still not have the characters be of any relation.

the next chapter will be: "The Retrofit of Tuvok into Undiscovered Country"

 

[exodus]

I think I read on Memory Alpha that the reason was royalties and for a time that made sense. Then it occured to me that TV shows for a long time now have spun off characters into different series.
A good example is Miles O'Brien who was created for TNG who moved into a full time character in DS9. Apparently the royalties weren't too bad for that character but they were for Nicholas Locarno?

I figure that in the end when it came to Voyager Paramount was just being stingy and didn't feel like paying and instead created another character who was basically the same. I think they were just cheap bastards

You forgot to ask: "Who created Miles O'Brian?"

Nick Lacarno was created by an independant writer, so royalities from that characters continued use in the series has to be paid out when the character is used in a story outside that writers story. O'Brien had to be created by a staff writer at Paramount or Berman himself for him to be spun off into another series.

 

[Guy Gardener]

O'Brien was in Encounter at Farpoint.

He predates the LAST administration.

 

[exodus]

O'Brien was in Encounter at Farpoint.

He predates the LAST administration.

Was he?

Oh that's right because he's also in the flashback sequences of "All Good Things...."
Cool!

 

[Destructor]

In my heart, I always thought of Tom as Nick.

 

[Guy Gardener]

O'Brien was in Encounter at Farpoint.

He predates the LAST administration.

Was he?

Oh that's right because he's also in the flashback sequences of "All Good Things...."
Cool!

He was one of the bridgecrew who was left behind when Q took the rest of them off to that 21st century court to be accused of their crimes.

As good as that line was from DS9 "I don't rem... Oh, you were one of the little people."

Imagine if that was followed up with: "And why the hell wasn't I good enough to time travel with the rest of the crew???! I'm a decent guy, nothing wrong with me? Is the 21st century too good for me? Is it? Is it?...Asshole."

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

^ O'Brien DID get to time travel when he was on DS9...got to go centuries-hopping with Kira.

 

[Guy Gardener]

Yup.

Obviously he was just working over time to prove Q wrong.

The same with his fistfight on Kirk's Enterprise in trials and Tribblations as well as when he courted ensign Tannerbaum in Children of Time, but then the lad did run out of steam in Visionary.

 

[Hober Mallow]

O'Brien was in Encounter at Farpoint.

He predates the LAST administration.

But he wasn't O'Brien. He is listed in the credits simply as "Conn officer," and Colm Meany has said that the script described his character as "ND" -- "non-descript." A few episodes later, Meaney shows up as a security guard. There was no Chief O'Brien until season two's "The Child." "All Good Things" retroactively made the Farpoint character O'Brien, but no one created a character called O'Brien for Meaney to play until season two.

If you read the story of VOY's creation, it quickly becomes clear how little time they had and how much pressure they were under. Things were literally shaping up on the fly. They couldn't even find the right actress for Janeway until after they finished shooting most of Caretaker!

That isn't true. The producers cast Genevieve Bujold for the role of Elizabeth Janeway. Very little of the pilot had been filmed before Bujold walked off the set.

 

[Guy Gardener]

Ran. I heard that she ran off the set.

Oh.

And by your logic Hober, Carey never served aboard the Enterprise in TNG Season One.

 

[Anwar]

That isn't true. The producers cast Genevieve Bujold for the role of Elizabeth Janeway. Very little of the pilot had been filmed before Bujold walked off the set.

I think she was called Nicole Janeway then. But yeah, the show was rushed into production.

 

[Guy Gardener]

If the Character, baring actress had retained the title "Nicole" then most probably Q would have called her "Coco".