A three film comparison/face-off...

[Warped9]

Star Trek is winning.

Surprise. Surprise.

And yet on another site I frequent where there are a lot of Trek fans (including some fans of ST09) the voting results are skewed quite differently. There ST09 is trailing with TDKR out in front.

Interesting differences.

 

[Nerys Myk]

Star Trek is winning.

Surprise. Surprise.

And yet on another site I frequent where there are a lot of Trek fans (including some fans of ST09) the voting results are skewed quite differently. There ST09 is trailing with TDKR out in front.

Interesting differences.

I think the difference is this is a Star Trek site. Most people here are Star Trek fans.

 

[Warped9]

I just finished watching TDKR again. It's only the second time I've seen it since it was released in theatre. It reinforces my preferring it over the other two. My only remaining complaint with the film is in regards to the timing of events. It doesn't seem likely that Batman would have been active for only about a year or so before withdrawing after the death of Rachel and Harvey Dent. It seems more likely that he was active longer than the events in TDK, for a few years at least. Bruce seems so much older in TDKR than only eight years would account for.

Even so I still think it's better than the others, and certainly far better than ST09.

 

[Shurik]

Well, it almost made me weep, in a bad way. It is officially the worst movie I've ever seen...

Go watch This is 40, then get back to me.

Birdemic.

 

[Admiral2]

Star Trek: Still ain't seen it. Still don't intend to

You're missing out. It actually made some people weep ( and in a good way ).

One of the trailers was a young Jim Kirk dumping a classic car off a cliff cause he's, like, troubled or something.

Horseshit.

I'll take my chances missing it.

 

[Warped9]

Star Trek: Still ain't seen it. Still don't intend to

You're missing out. It actually made some people weep ( and in a good way ).

One of the trailers was a young Jim Kirk dumping a classic car off a cliff cause he's, like, troubled or something.

Horseshit.

I'll take my chances missing it.

Trust me, you're not missing anything. Actually that one scene is quite representative of the film: driving a classic off a cliff and thoroughly trashing it. Yep, that's what I thought the film was, spot on.

 

[Admiral2]

You're missing out. It actually made some people weep ( and in a good way ).

One of the trailers was a young Jim Kirk dumping a classic car off a cliff cause he's, like, troubled or something.

Horseshit.

I'll take my chances missing it.

Trust me, you're not missing anything. Actually that one scene is quite representative of the film: driving a classic off a cliff and thoroughly trashing it. Yep, that's what I thought the film was, spot on.

Damn.

Just gave me my new sig, Warped9.

 

[Set Harth]

Star Trek: Still ain't seen it. Still don't intend to

You're missing out. It actually made some people weep ( and in a good way ).

One of the trailers was a young Jim Kirk dumping a classic car off a cliff cause he's, like, troubled or something.

While listening to the Beastie Boys, who of course will still be popular in the mid-23rd century.

Actually that one scene is quite representative of the film: driving a classic off a cliff and thoroughly trashing it.

For those not engaging in historical revisionism, the franchise was already trashed, and STXI breathed life back into it. A "representative" scene would thus be the car driven off the cliff except played in reverse.

 

[The Mirrorball Man]

One of the trailers was a young Jim Kirk dumping a classic car off a cliff cause he's, like, troubled or something.

Horseshit.

I'll take my chances missing it.

Which, despite what some may say, is a perfectly valid way to decide whether a movie appeals to you or not. If you're turned off by the trailers, there's no reason at all to spend time and money watching a movie that's obviously not for you.

Of course, it also means that your opinion about Star Trek isn't worth much.

 

[Deckerd]

Star Trek 09 by a mile. Looking forward to the next one.

 

[BillJ]

I had no doubt this would turn into a Star Trek 2009 bitchfest.

 

[Warped9]

Which, despite what some may say, is a perfectly valid way to decide whether a movie appeals to you or not. If you're turned off by the trailers, there's no reason at all to spend time and money watching a movie that's obviously not for you.

Of course, it also means that your opinion about Star Trek isn't worth much.

This is "horseshit." If he's been watching Trek in all its incarnations for decades then he has a perfectly valid opinion of what it is. And if he has similar tastes to others who often reflect his opinions then he's got nothing to apologize for.

 

[The Mirrorball Man]

This is "horseshit." If he's been watching Trek in all its incarnations for decades then he has a perfectly valid opinion of what it is. And if he has similar tastes to others who often reflect his opinions then he's got nothing to apologize for.

Of course he's got nothing to apologize for, that goes without saying. But if he hasn't seen the movie, his opinion about the movie is completely lacking in interest.

 

[sidious618]

Prometheus is my favorite of the three. I really loved that film and was quite impressed by the quality when I first saw it in theaters. Of the three it's also the only one I own on DVD. TDKR would come next followed by Star Trek.

This is "horseshit." If he's been watching Trek in all its incarnations for decades then he has a perfectly valid opinion of what it is. And if he has similar tastes to others who often reflect his opinions then he's got nothing to apologize for.

I'm pretty sure he meant the poster's opinion on Star Trek the movie is worthless since he hasn't actually seen it, not his opinion on Star Trek as a whole.

 

[The Mirrorball Man]

I'm pretty sure he meant the poster's opinion on Star Trek the movie is worthless since he hasn't actually seen it, not his opinion on Star Trek as a whole.

Well yes, that's what we're talking about here, isn't it?

 

[sidious618]

I'm pretty sure he meant the poster's opinion on Star Trek the movie is worthless since he hasn't actually seen it, not his opinion on Star Trek as a whole.

Well yes, that's what we're talking about here, isn't it?

Yep, but it seems like Warped9 took it as Star Trek as a whole otherwise his post doesn't really make any sense.

 

[Warped9]

This is "horseshit." If he's been watching Trek in all its incarnations for decades then he has a perfectly valid opinion of what it is. And if he has similar tastes to others who often reflect his opinions then he's got nothing to apologize for.

Of course he's got nothing to apologize for, that goes without saying. But if he hasn't seen the movie, his opinion about the movie is completely lacking in interest.

I was pretty much in Admiral2's position in that I had zero interest in seeing the film. I certainly wasn't going to pay good money to see what I had already suspected was a train wreck. The only reason I did see it was because a coworker at the time shared his download with me. What shocked me when I did finally watch it is that it was even worse than I had half suspected.

But this position could apply to any film. If the trailers and marketing don't grab you then it's pretty hard to work up some interest in the thing. It's true you just might be mistaken, but if your lack of interest is bolstered by the opinions of others with whom you've shared common tastes then the likelihood of you changing your mind is very small.

Mind you Trek has been on a down slide for years so one could be forgiven for thinking things weren't going to get any better anytime soon. And in this case Admiral2's suspicions (and mine) were dead on. The fact that it was commercially popular is largely meaningless (at least to him) because lots of garbage movies are commercially popular.

It must be said that I've been on the other side of the fence. There are films I quite liked (and were even popular) that quite a few others vocally denounced.

 

[sidious618]

I thought Star Trek was going to be pretty shitty but I enjoyed it.

 

[Deckerd]

I completely agree that someone's opinion of a film they haven't actually seen is worthless.

 

[The Mirrorball Man]

Mind you Trek has been on a down slide for years so one could be forgiven for thinking things weren't going to get any better anytime soon. And in this case Admiral2's suspicions (and mine) were dead on. The fact that it was commercially popular is largely meaningless (at least to him) because lots of garbage movies are commercially popular.

Your position on the movie is well-known. As far as I'm concerned, Star Trek is not a perfect movie but undoubtedly the most fun and enjoyable of all the Trek films, and the reason why the franchise is no longer on the down slide.

I thought Prometheus was appalling, a mind-numbing mess with a truly terrible script and a waste of a very talented cast. The Dark Knight Rises was engaging had some excellent performances but the pace was uneven and in some respects, the script felt like a first draft.