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A-Team, movie... thing. Discussion and Spoilers

Grade the movie!

  • They certainly found the "A" team!

    Votes: 45 67.2%
  • More like "B-Team"

    Votes: 11 16.4%
  • Bah, way to get the "C-Team"

    Votes: 7 10.4%
  • Ugh, they got the "D-Team"

    Votes: 1 1.5%
  • Pfft. This is the FAIL Team!

    Votes: 3 4.5%

  • Total voters
    67

Trekker4747

Boldly going...
Premium Member
Surprised no one has started a thread on this yet.

I've not yet seen this movie, will likely see it tomorrow evening, but anyway here we can discuss this movie.
 
I give it a C+.

I'm a die-hard A-Team fan, and I was expecting to either love or hate this movie. Well, I had neither reaction. It was just incredibly....average.

What I liked: the sense of bravado of Hannibal, the glamor of Face (and Bradley Cooper's abs are breath-taking) and the wildly joyful Murdock--who does a fantastic job switching accents at breakneck speed. BA's love for his van is briefly played upon, but the character does not have, or is not given, the presence that perhaps he should have. I think they did a fairly decent job in preserving the characters "core." Granted, I probably feel a bit "precious" about the characters, but with Face and Murdock, I think they did well. BA and Hannibal are a bit watered down, but they had only two hours, not a whole series.

What I didn't like: the brutal, jarring cuts, the scenes all being shot so ridiculously close up that fight scenes are incomprehensible, and the film itself just looks cheap. Now, there are some clever lines, and a few good giggles, but they are often lost amidst the hurried, noisy and clumsy editing, which is a shame. The actual plot of this film, if you take more than a millisecond to think about it, makes no sense at all. There is no logic to why ANY of the bad guys do anything at all, and the final scene is fairly ludicrous. I suppose one could forgive that, as The A-Team itself, in concept and execution, is fairly ludicrous; that was, after all, the M.O. of the series. But here, mixed with frantic editing, poorly framed shots, and a plot that I'm still puzzling over (why the HELL didn't the baddies just take the MacGuffin and run away quietly?!?!), I'm left with the overwhelming "so what?" reaction.

And then there's Jessica Biel. While I was absolutely THRILLED that an attractive young actress had a lead role in an action flick and never ONCE took off a single item of clothing (Thank F***ing God), she does an absolutely DREADFUL job with what little she gets to do. Her role is pretty limited, but frankly, her performance had all the emotional presence of a paper cup. I'd seen her in The Illusionist, and had no problem with her then, but here, her delivery is so stiff that it makes me wonder how she ever got cast in ANYTHING.

There was one thing about this that did rub me the wrong the way and that was the way BA converted to pacifism while in prison. At first, my reaction was "Great! A bold choice---have BA refuse to kill, and return to the cartoonish non-lethal violence of the show. But did they go that route? NO. Instead, they show Hannibal convincing BA that violence is in his nature; he is a soldier and should not deny who he really is. BA immediately returns to his neck-snapping ways and saves a Team mate from the baddie. That seemed like a (if you'll pardon the expression) real pussy move on the filmmakers' part. Wouldn't it be more brave, or more noble, NOT to sink to the bad guys' level? So, it's perfectly OK to kill to get the job done, and make sure you don't feel bad about it later or else you're a wuss. Nice message there, Mr. Carnahan.


And, of course, there's the blink-and-you-miss-it cameos from Dirk and Dwight (which are nice; I liked them), but these come only at the very end, after the credits, so remember to stay if you want to see them.


The A-Team was either a bundle of mindless, stupid fun or absolute drek. One thing that it never was, was mediocre. That's what this film was. It's just "Meh."
 
What I liked: the sense of bravado of Hannibal, the glamor of Face (and Bradley Cooper's abs are breath-taking) ...

And then there's Jessica Biel. While I was absolutely THRILLED that an attractive young actress had a lead role in an action flick and never ONCE took off a single item of clothing (Thank F***ing God).

:wtf:

There's a bit of hypocrisy here.
 
What I liked: the sense of bravado of Hannibal, the glamor of Face (and Bradley Cooper's abs are breath-taking) ...

And then there's Jessica Biel. While I was absolutely THRILLED that an attractive young actress had a lead role in an action flick and never ONCE took off a single item of clothing (Thank F***ing God).

:wtf:

There's a bit of hypocrisy here.

Yes. Absolutely.
 
I saw this after work and the theater was completely full at a 4pm show. I had an absolute blast. I watched the show quite regularly in the 80's and it managed to capture the feeling I had when watching the old show while updating itself quite a bit. I really enjoyed seeing the relationships between three of the team members defined in the beginning in the midst of a mission.

The crowd I was with (as well as yours truly) had tons of laughs and clapping throughout the film. You really cheer for the good guys in this one and laugh at their antics, as well as those of the bad guys. Somehow the writers/director managed to skirt the line between recreating the feel of the original show without going into ultra parody territory.

I don't know if anyone else saw it, but in the Army hospital, when the inmates to go see a movie with the 3D glasses, the credits roll and one of the "actor" names that pops up is "Reginald Barclay". I thought that was pure awesome. :)
 
There was one thing about this that did rub me the wrong the way and that was the way BA converted to pacifism while in prison. At first, my reaction was "Great! A bold choice---have BA refuse to kill, and return to the cartoonish non-lethal violence of the show. But did they go that route? NO. Instead, they show Hannibal convincing BA that violence is in his nature; he is a soldier and should not deny who he really is. BA immediately returns to his neck-snapping ways and saves a Team mate from the baddie. That seemed like a (if you'll pardon the expression) real pussy move on the filmmakers' part. Wouldn't it be more brave, or more noble, NOT to sink to the bad guys' level? So, it's perfectly OK to kill to get the job done, and make sure you don't feel bad about it later or else you're a wuss. Nice message there, Mr. Carnahan.

Sad to hear that. I always preferred to think that the reason nobody got killed in the show was because the A-Team chose not to use deadly force; after all, they were going up against American civilians most of the time, so as loyal American soldiers, they wouldn't want to kill them. Also, as wanted fugitives who hoped to be cleared of a bogus robbery charge, the last thing they'd want to do is add some legitimate homicide charges, which would be crossing a line they couldn't come back from. So as little sense as it made that all those stray bullets and shrapnel never hurt anybody, it made sense that the A-Team would try not to kill anybody. Plus of course it was just preferable in a light-hearted action comedy that there wasn't any callous, casual killing going on.

So if the movie not only has the A-Team killing, but actively endorses it, that's a serious strike against it for me.

Also, I don't like the idea of BA being portrayed as a born killer. Frankly that seems like playing into racial stereotypes, this idea that lethal violence is just in the big scary black guy's inborn nature. I mean, sure, BA talked tough and threw people around a lot, but the thing about BA/Mr. T (same difference) is that you could tell he was really a teddy bear beneath the tough facade. He was a nice, if extremely weird, guy who taught children to stay in school and drink their milk.
 
I just got back from it. I think a C+ is the correct rating too.

The Good...

-The terrific cast. All four of the lead actors do a great job with their characters. I think Sharlto Copley was the standout. He did a great job in his debut in District 9 and does a damn good job here. To me, his Murdock is the closest of the four to their television counterparts. Patrick Wilson was a lot of fun as Lynch although I would have liked his performance more if he wasn't playing almost the exact same character Jason Petric played in The Losers last year.

-Unlike a lot of adaptations/reimaginings, the film doesn't take itself seriously and as a result, it is a lot of fun. Not to mention it is very loyal to the source material. The way they're set up (stealing money or plates and having the commanding officer who knew about it killed) is practically the same as in the television show. Not to mention you get to see how they all met each other (which was contrived to be sure) and where BA's fear of flying came from.

-Recognizable faces. Dirk Benedict (who is a douche) and Dwight Schultz at the end was a nice touch. I also recogized Yul Vasquez as the Mexican general in the beginning. I still remember him from Seinfeld as the militant gay Puerto Rican Bob who always seemed to terrorize Kramer. "Who? Who does not want to wear the ribbon?"

-Clever way to get them as fugitives at the end. I always wondered what would happen if you broke out of jail and proved yourself to be innocent. It's completely bullshit but it works.

And then there's Jessica Biel. While I was absolutely THRILLED that an attractive young actress had a lead role in an action flick and never ONCE took off a single item of clothing (Thank F***ing God),

We do get to see her fantastic legs though. That's always a plus. :techman:

The Bad...

-My main complaint was that the story was hampered by a completely incoherent storyline. It was hard to follow just what the fuck was going on at times. Some storyline stability, a few minutes cut off the run time, and a few other changes would have greatly improved the movie.

-The rapid fire editing during the fight scenes. Can someone please explain to me why directors do this. Anybody? Please explain to me why it is so "brilliant" to edit action scenes in a way that makes them completely incomprehensible? It's a fucking awful way to edit action scenes and the next director who does it should be fired and blackballed from Hollywood. Fucking awful!

The editing in general is bad, as everything is rushed.

So it was fun though it could have been much better.
 
Did anybody catch the TNG reference in the film?

When Murdock is in the mental institution (the second time) and is about to be rescued, just before Sosa (Biel) and her boys show up, the credits on the 3D film being screened cam be clearly seen. One of the names? "Reginald Barclay" :lol:

I just got home from seeing it, obviously. Still not quite sure how I feel, but I'll agree with auntiehill pretty much all the way. Even the part about Jessica Biel not stripping down. There are plenty of films where women do that; this just isn't one of them.

My only real complaint would be they didn't use the familiar A-Team theme song enough. That --and maybe I'm alone here-- but I was hoping for a quick cameo or appearance by Hunt Stockwell. That would have been nifty.
 
I give an A + for what it was, a mindless popcorn action flick. I don't know why there are complaints about an incoherent plot line, it's actually fairly simple and you'll figure out the plot twist the moment you see the photos of the bad guys. It really is a plot that could have been pulled from the TV show.

Also, the editing is fine, maybe a few odd establishing shots here and there, but overall it was tight enough to keep the energy up in the movie while still keeping time to follow the story. I can see where some people might have troubles with the scenes withing in scenes like when they are planning the raid in getting the plates back and how they switch back and forth from real time to future time (I just did a bad job of explaining that). Fight scenes were closeup and frantic, but that is just how movies are going these days. I had the same problems with the fight scenes in the Bourne movies, so I've learned to deal.

Great movie, I had fun and would pay to go see it again.
 
I give it a solid B. It was far from a great flick, but it sure was a lot of fun. It was loud, a little incoherent in places, Patrick Wilson annoyed the living shit out of me, bit the action sequences were often well-done (if not a little ridiculous), there were some funny moments and Neeson, Cooper, Rampage and Copley had great chemistry. The cameos at the end were a lot of fun too.

Oh, and I thought I was imagining the "Reginald Barclay" thing. Glad someone else saw it. LOL!
 
I thought the movie was a lot of fun. It didn't take itself seriously, and there were tons of over the top moments. Loved all the references to the original show. Anyone else catch the mini-14 Hannibal used in the beginning of the movie was just like the one they used on the original series.


-Chris
 
B-. I have major problems with Biel's character. The line one guy had To the other that she'd turn into a bitch later made me furious. And she's being criticized for being ambitious? Really? What would that be if she were a male character with ambition.

That being said, I really liked knowing that they reversed the traditional roles a bit and had the "player" Face fall hard and Chris panic at the thought of committment. Gotta give them props for that.
 
It was a fun movie, that did a pretty good job of capturing the derring-do spirit of the A-Team. Hannibal and Murdock in particular were very well realized. Murdock was downright hilarious.
 
I enjoyed the movie, but would only give it a "B". It was fun, but some plot holes and coincidences seemed a bit far-fetched.

Christopher, in regards to killing in this movie, I believe it is fairly done. What killing I remember being done, would all be classified as either self-defense or against individuals actively involved in the violence. I don't recall them going around killing civilians who aren't involved, the others are either corrupt mercenaries, violent criminals (would say more, but would spoil plot), or corrupt government employees engaging in lethal force against them.
 
I read there were only two deaths on the original show.

They don't rack up much of a body count in this movie although they do kill, which is totally logical.
 
^Who wants logic in The A-Team? It was a cartoon that happened to be in live-action. Nobody died because that would've made it too real and too dark. The A-Team shouldn't kill people with their guns any more than Bugs Bunny should kill people with his sticks of dynamite.
 
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