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A Tall Order

FabiusMaximus

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The summation:

So, JJ was handed the keys to the franchise and he and his team sat down and came up with several tenets for the new film. 1) Revitalize a franchise which had gone stale 2) Bring in a new and enthusiastic audience while pleasing the old guard 3) Tread on canon as lightly as possible 4) Provide a tent pole for the studio that ensured sequels, etc. 5) Make it real and make it good.

After much debate it was then decided: 1) They would go back to the beginning and use the beloved characters of TOS 2) They would use a new cast to tell an origin story 3) They would create a plot device that allowed for a wholly original take, would not erase the forty years of canon that came before, and yet would allow the origin story to have a life of its own without being saddled by that canon.

The film was cast with great fanfare and most of the filming to this point has been done in secret to whet our appetite. The teaser trailer showed the hint of realism and how Trek plays into our future. Positive buzz abounds.

But how will JJ accomplish the larger goals set for the film?

The assumptions:

The only way to have their cake and eat it too would be to create an alternate timeline to what we know about Trek. Rumor has it that Orci and Kurtzman’s draft centers on the use of Spock from the 24th century and his need to protect the past. Although it would involve well-worn time travel, it would be done in a way that is unique and once in the past, the main plot would center on a series of 23rd century historical vignettes that allowed for the origin story of TOS characters to be told under the watchful eyes of 24th century Spock. An all-knowing villain from the future (the Romulan, Nero) has been created to thread the stories together as he makes assassination attempts and disruptions in Trek’s past with hopefully clear motivation. As Spock tries to out duel Nero in the battle for history, the main narrative would allow us the chance to see Kirk’s birth, Kirk and Spock’s youth, the Academy days, the KM incident, Pike’s Enterprise, the first mission under Kirk, etc.

The analysis:

I think that alternate Trek as created in this movie could be a brilliant move. Nero’s interference or even Spock’s desire to set things right could start a chain reaction in the timeline that would set the filmmakers free to create stylistically any scenario they could imagine while still keeping to the main truisms of the show that we all care for. It would certainly allow for any changes in physical traits or personality traits that could be interpreted through new actors as well as in set design, costumes, effects, etc. And the potential for sequels is enormous – anything could happen in the new timeline.

I realize that many of you do not care for time travel, the use of the old cast, changes in canon etc. But if you think about it, everyone is getting what they want with this film; it is a mix of new and nostalgia and the best hope for our franchise in a long time. Agreed?
 
A very well-written and thought-out post. I tend to agree with most of what you said, though I'm hoping that this story does not result in the creation of an alternate timeline, which would in fact, erase 40-plus years of Trek canon.

Rather, let's tease the viewing audience with the possibility that might happen during the two hours we're watching the movie, but let history progress as it should.

And in the end, we've seen the beginning we never saw previously. If they can do that, and make it feel like TOS, then I can forgive them for it not looking exactly the same (uniforms, ship interior, ect.)
 
FabiusMaximus said:
But if you think about it, everyone is getting what they want with this film...

That's certainly the sense I get, based on the consensus reached in each and every thread, here.
 
I admit that I'm uncomfortable with the idea of creating an alternate timeline. I actually prefer to have a single timeline with many difficult (or impossible) to explain inconsistencies. History is replete with confusing and apparantly irreconcilable contradictions; why should Trek be any different?

All I want is for the movie to be good. Really, really good.

...As a secondary consideration, I hope the Enterprise doesn't look any more different from the TOS than the TMP versions.
 
I preferred the Julius Caesar stuff. :p I was looking forward to you combining The Gallic Wars with J.J. Abrams publicity material. Alack, alas!

FabiusMaximus said:
I realize that many of you do not care for time travel, the use of the old cast, changes in canon etc. But if you think about it, everyone is getting what they want with this film; it is a mix of new and nostalgia and the best hope for our franchise in a long time. Agreed?
Certainly on a structural level, though there's a fair bit of speculation on your part as to what's really in the cards.

Course, what I want, really, is something more pedestrian: A good movie. The film could have all the intricacies you describe and still, hypothetically, fail dramatically. So I feel I'm operating in a vaccuum, no matter what I know about this movie I won't know that one essential thing - whether I like it or not - until I see it.

Frustrating, no?
 
Samuel T. Cogley said:
FabiusMaximus said:
But if you think about it, everyone is getting what they want with this film...

That's certainly the sense I get, based on the consensus reached in each and every thread, here.
oy!!! i sooo hope youre wrong :D
And your avitar does something peculiar to me way down at the quantum lvl... O.o
 
Kinnison said:

...As a secondary consideration, I hope the Enterprise doesn't look any more different from the TOS than the TMP versions.



Something I read recently indicated that Abrams' version of the ship is something of a cross between the TOS Enterprise and that of TMP.

I can handle that. Both versions were still basically the same configuration, so if this is really the case, then this starship should easily be recognized as the Enterprise.
 
I have to admit this "alternate timeline" idea is really starting to grow on me. Yeah there's a LOT of stuff that came after TOS (from the movies to the spinoffs) that I love dearly, but we're most likely never going to revisit that time period anyway.

I'd love to see this as a TRUE reimagining, where anything that happens from this movie forward is completely up for grabs. I want to be able to start fresh with these great characters, and watch them go on their own journeys and not worry how everything will link up with TOS down the road.
 
I want to be able to start fresh with these great characters, and watch them go on their own journeys and not worry how everything will link up with TOS down the road.

I suppose it would be more dramatic if we didn't know how it was all going to end... :)
 
davejames said:
I have to admit this "alternate timeline" idea is really starting to grow on me. Yeah there's a LOT of stuff that came after TOS (from the movies to the spinoffs) that I love dearly, but we're most likely never going to revisit that time period anyway.

I'd love to see this as a TRUE reimagining, where anything that happens from this movie forward is completely up for grabs. I want to be able to start fresh with these great characters, and watch them go on their own journeys and not worry how everything will link up with TOS down the road.

I concur.
 
Kegek said:
I preferred the Julius Caesar stuff. :p I was looking forward to you combining The Gallic Wars with J.J. Abrams publicity material. Alack, alas!

With Shatner as Caesar and Nimoy as Arveni leader Vercingetorix...

Ahh, Kegek, I think in another world I could have called you friend. ;)
 
Kinnison said:
I want to be able to start fresh with these great characters, and watch them go on their own journeys and not worry how everything will link up with TOS down the road.

I suppose it would be more dramatic if we didn't know how it was all going to end... :)


Funny, when you guys put it that way, the idea of an alternate reality doesn't sound so bad...


:)
 
OR, instead of an alternate time line- JJ could have created a whole new crew and ship to send off on adventures.

THAT would make more sense then screwing with the Star Trek universe that time travel stories are prone to do.
 
Patrickivan said:
OR, instead of an alternate time line- JJ could have created a whole new crew and ship to send off on adventures.

THAT would make more sense then screwing with the Star Trek universe that time travel stories are prone to do.

The movie isn't a reboot, or an alternate time line. :D

Star Trek XI will not look exactly like TOS Charlie X style. :D

Back to your regularly scheduled program. :thumbsup:
 
^ HT, what's with the continual Charlie X reference? Please explain.
 
Holytomato said:

Star Trek XI will not look exactly like TOS Charlie X style. :D



I think that's a given, at this stage of the game. And as I said above, as long as the characters and story make it feel like Original Trek, then I'll come away satisfied.

Frankly, I'm really keen to see what the interior sets are going to look like.
 
Ahhh... :wtf:

The uniforms, characters, interiors, exteriors, etc.

are *Different* in "The Cage", "Where No Man", and "Charlie X".

TOS just doesn't mean "Charlie X". :D
 
Hey Fabe,

Nice post.

But I really don't think we're going to see a new timeline emerge.

Instead, it's going to be kind of a ST:E and Star Wars prequel approach: henceforth, this is how TOS was always supposed to look.

Orci or Abrams outright confirmed this over at TrekMovie when they said that their take on TOS was not a reimagining but rather, looking at TOS in "high definition."

In other words, an aesthetic reinterpretation, not a canon or narrative reboot.

Though this may piss off/alienate some folks, it's the only way to go.

\S/
 
Superman said:
Hey Fabe,

Nice post.

But I really don't think we're going to see a new timeline emerge.

Instead, it's going to be kind of a ST:E and Star Wars prequel approach: henceforth, this is how TOS was always supposed to look.

Orci or Abrams outright confirmed this over at TrekMovie when they said that their take on TOS was not a reimagining but rather, looking at TOS in "high definition."

In other words, an aesthetic reinterpretation, not a canon or narrative reboot.

Though this may piss off/alienate some folks, it's the only way to go.

\S/

Yes, could be. My only problem with that is the potential for sequels. If this film ends with the crew aboard the Enterprise starting their five year mission, it doesn't leave much time for them until they bump heads with what has taken place during TOS. Now, that's not to say it couldn't be done (early missions, etc.) and it may not be viewed as a problem anyway, but a new timeline would allow them the opportunity to have anything happen dramatically from that point onward.

Again, I hope this film is a huge success and that we get several more films out of it. The potential for those characters in new situations would certainly be exciting, would it not?
 
Superman said:
Orci or Abrams outright confirmed this over at TrekMovie when they said that their take on TOS was not a reimagining but rather, looking at TOS in "high definition."

In other words, an aesthetic reinterpretation, not a canon or narrative reboot.

See, I don't infer "aesthetic reinterpretation" from "high definition." I infer "greater detail," like with Greg Jein's Enterprise and such.
 
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