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A Tall Order

Superman said:

Orci or Abrams outright confirmed this over at TrekMovie when they said that their take on TOS was not a reimagining but rather, looking at TOS in "high definition."

In other words, an aesthetic reinterpretation, not a canon or narrative reboot.

Though this may piss off/alienate some folks, it's the only way to go.


I hope you're right, if this movie is ST in HD, as it were, the beginning we never saw but essentially was there all along... That would be pretty cool.

Although I agree with the potential sequel problem and 'bumping' into TOS as we know it.

But let's not get ahead of ourselves. For now, I'm content to just keep reading the little hints we get.

Sometimes, the anticipation really is half the fun.

:thumbsup:
 
It always has been assumed that "Where No Man" was the end of Kirk's first 5 year mission as Captain of the Enterprise, and "Charlie X" was the start of his second.
 
Holytomato said:
It always has been assumed that "Where No Man" was the end of Kirk's first 5 year mission as Captain of the Enterprise, and "Charlie X" was the start of his second.
Huh! I never heard of THAT! Where do you get that from? :confused:
 
^

Just curious, what's your source for that information? The Okudas' Star Trek Chronology places Kirk assuming command of the Enterprise in 2264, the events of WNMHGB a year later, and Charlie X in the third year of Kirk's first 5YM.
 
Holytomato said:
It always has been assumed that "Where No Man" was the end of Kirk's first 5 year mission as Captain of the Enterprise, and "Charlie X" was the start of his second.

First I've heard of it.
 
Oops.

"I always assummed"

"Where No Man" jumped right into the story. Just like "The Cage".

The Okuda Timeline still gives Alexander's birthyear as 2366 instead of 2359. ;)
 
Holytomato said:

"Where No Man" jumped right into the story. Just like "The Cage".


That's because both stories took place well into Pike's and Kirk's respective 5YMs.

According to J.J. and Co., what they're giving us at Christmas is the beginning of the Kirk era.
 
Holytomato,

Not sure what your "sources" are.

First, the Phase II Enterprise is the inspiration for the Enterprise-E.

Now WNMHGB is the end of the first five year mission?

Poppycock.

I refer you to Memory-Alpha.

\S/
 
How is the Phase II Enterprise inspiration for the E-E? The Phase II is essentially the TMP refit, and the E-E is basically a super-sized Voyager. Please explain, because I don't see the similarity.
 
Son_of_Soong said:
God what has Daniels done to the timeline this time.

It's not Daniels's fault, it is Zaphod Beeblebrox's fault. What with his ship's Infinite Improbability Drive habit of rearranging the galaxy.... ;)
 
FabiusMaximus said:
The summation:

So, JJ was handed the keys to the franchise and he and his team sat down and came up with several tenets for the new film. 1) Revitalize a franchise which had gone stale 2) Bring in a new and enthusiastic audience while pleasing the old guard 3) Tread on canon as lightly as possible 4) Provide a tent pole for the studio that ensured sequels, etc. 5) Make it real and make it good.

After much debate it was then decided: 1) They would go back to the beginning and use the beloved characters of TOS 2) They would use a new cast to tell an origin story 3) They would create a plot device that allowed for a wholly original take, would not erase the forty years of canon that came before, and yet would allow the origin story to have a life of its own without being saddled by that canon.

The film was cast with great fanfare and most of the filming to this point has been done in secret to whet our appetite. The teaser trailer showed the hint of realism and how Trek plays into our future. Positive buzz abounds.

But how will JJ accomplish the larger goals set for the film?

The assumptions:

The only way to have their cake and eat it too would be to create an alternate timeline to what we know about Trek. Rumor has it that Orci and Kurtzman’s draft centers on the use of Spock from the 24th century and his need to protect the past. Although it would involve well-worn time travel, it would be done in a way that is unique and once in the past, the main plot would center on a series of 23rd century historical vignettes that allowed for the origin story of TOS characters to be told under the watchful eyes of 24th century Spock. An all-knowing villain from the future (the Romulan, Nero) has been created to thread the stories together as he makes assassination attempts and disruptions in Trek’s past with hopefully clear motivation. As Spock tries to out duel Nero in the battle for history, the main narrative would allow us the chance to see Kirk’s birth, Kirk and Spock’s youth, the Academy days, the KM incident, Pike’s Enterprise, the first mission under Kirk, etc.

The analysis:

I think that alternate Trek as created in this movie could be a brilliant move. Nero’s interference or even Spock’s desire to set things right could start a chain reaction in the timeline that would set the filmmakers free to create stylistically any scenario they could imagine while still keeping to the main truisms of the show that we all care for. It would certainly allow for any changes in physical traits or personality traits that could be interpreted through new actors as well as in set design, costumes, effects, etc. And the potential for sequels is enormous – anything could happen in the new timeline.

I realize that many of you do not care for time travel, the use of the old cast, changes in canon etc. But if you think about it, everyone is getting what they want with this film; it is a mix of new and nostalgia and the best hope for our franchise in a long time. Agreed?
I will admit that when I heard about the possibility of an alternate timeline being seen in the movie, I was not excited at all. However, having read your post, I feel so much better about it. I truly feel that if done properly and tastefully, we could see the creation of a timeline that would allow the filmmakers to really "stretch their legs" and take some creative chances without destroying the canon of the past 40 years. What I most want to see in the movie is Kirk when he is at the Academy, and from what I have read, we will most definitely see that (along with Tyler Perry playing the head of the school). So long as this possible alternate timeline does not take away from the story of the film, I think it could turn out to be a very engaging and fun movie when it hits theaters at the end of the year.

--This is Kokomo signing off.
 
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