OK, this maybe a dumb, alcohol induced question, but I was wondering: If Kryptonions (sp?) don't have superpowers on their native world, but get them on Earth (be it the yellow sun, different molecular structure or whatever), what would happen to a human who traveled to Krypton (assuming it still existed)? Would he also get extra strong, or would it work in reverse and make him extra fragile?
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Nothing would happen to that human I believe. In the "Return to Krypton" storyline a few years ago (which turned out to be an alternate Krypton) Lois traveled with Clark back to Krypton in the past and she was fine. I'm pretty sure that she had no special alterations made to her or anything like that. I think it's also supposed to be more dense on Krypton but I could be wrong on that.
Yeah I think it really depends on the depiction of Krypton. Maybe this doesn't count either but I believe that humans on Kandor/New Krypton weren't affected by anything. I suppose some study would have to go into researching a planet that had a red sun.
Yeah, initially the Kryptonians were very "physically evolved" and took their own superpowers for granted.
It's impossible to reason from past continuity about what happens to an earth person under a red sun, because the idea isn't based in any reality whatever and the answers change depending on who's writing the comic and when. John Byrne thought he was making things more "scientific" by talking about Superman as a "solar battery" and psionics, but all he did was substitute a slightly more modern set of magic words and nonsense for the 1940s/1950s version.
The question of what happens under Krypton's gravity is a little more answerable, because they've been consistent for a long time about the relative gravity of Earth and Krypton. In fact, there was an "Imaginary Story" quite a few years ago where Lois Lane was sent from a doomed Earth to Krypton and became a superhero there - because to compensate for what he knew was crushing gravity there, her father exposed her to some sort of process to vastly enhance her physical abilities.
It's impossible to reason from past continuity about what happens to an earth person under a red sun, because the idea isn't based in any reality whatever and the answers change depending on who's writing the comic and when. John Byrne thought he was making things more "scientific" by talking about Superman as a "solar battery" and psionics, but all he did was substitute a slightly more modern set of magic words and nonsense for the 1940s/1950s version.
The question of what happens under Krypton's gravity is a little more answerable, because they've been consistent for a long time about the relative gravity of Earth and Krypton. In fact, there was an "Imaginary Story" quite a few years ago where Lois Lane was sent from a doomed Earth to Krypton and became a superhero there - because to compensate for what he knew was crushing gravity there, her father exposed her to some sort of process to vastly enhance her physical abilities.
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All that "scientific" thinking was just more than "magic". It explained how some of his powers could just that. be explained. But perhaps you like those pushing planets out of their orbits w/ no consequences powers.....
The question of what happens under Krypton's gravity is a little more answerable, because they've been consistent for a long time about the relative gravity of Earth and Krypton. In fact, there was an "Imaginary Story" quite a few years ago where Lois Lane was sent from a doomed Earth to Krypton and became a superhero there - because to compensate for what he knew was crushing gravity there, her father exposed her to some sort of process to vastly enhance her physical abilities.[/QUOTE]
Althoug I have not kept up since "f**king the Byrne era aside, I still have an interest ijn the DC universe
No it didn't.
Words like "psionic" have no real scientific meaning. Byrne could have said that Clark's powers come from saying "Shazam!" and it would have been just as scientific and logical as all the talk about force-fields and antigravity.
Sometimes, it seems, skiffy fans confuse this kind of multi-syllabic babble with real information just because it sounds plausible.
IMO since I read the comics for about 10-15 years before Byrne's take, It took away that "fantasy" of miraculous power development, and offered a sensible explanation.
Humans get Supermanlike super powers under the Blue Sun of Bizarro world according to one of the stories in Mark Millars Allstar Superman... QWhich really means that all the trouble Supergirl had on Bizarro world recently could have been sorted by any four people form the planet earth who are not kryptonian.
A few months a ago the chief from the Doom patrol (Kieth Giffen. Fear him.) spent months vivisecting the shit of a kryptonian he'd captured during the recent invasion and came discover that there is no magic enzyme of gland which converts solar power but rather that it's just how one wills the matter in our bodies to organize that these powers manifest.
A few months a ago the chief from the Doom patrol (Kieth Giffen. Fear him.) spent months vivisecting the shit of a kryptonian he'd captured during the recent invasion and came discover that there is no magic enzyme of gland which converts solar power but rather that it's just how one wills the matter in our bodies to organize that these powers manifest.
All Star Superman was by Morrison.
But you are thinking of Geoff Johns who did a similar Superman story on Bizarro World where Pa Kent got superpowers, but that was being exposed to Superman's supervision, he received after being exposed to the blue sun of Bizarro World.
You 're right.
If it was Millar then it would have been AllStar Captain Marvel Junior.
Nice to see Billy in the JLA too.
I wonder if he has told his teammates that he is perhaps younger than Robin?
Kitty Pride was in the X-men for Donkeys and they tried to demote her into the New Mutants as soon as there was a kids table for her to sit at.
Katherine was not amused.
If it was Millar then it would have been AllStar Captain Marvel Junior.
Nice to see Billy in the JLA too.
I wonder if he has told his teammates that he is perhaps younger than Robin?
Kitty Pride was in the X-men for Donkeys and they tried to demote her into the New Mutants as soon as there was a kids table for her to sit at.
Katherine was not amused.
I believe Millar would have written All Star $@#*!
The ability to be "solar batteries" seems to be Kryptonian trait, not a biological fact of life in the Superman universe. So Kryptonians, depending on the color of the star they are under, gain abilities wherever they go. (Red Stars being "neutral" for them.)
Humans, presumably, have no such ability so being on Krypton humans would gain no powers, nor be less powerful, as an effect of the sun. Now, what would happen from just being on Krypton by itself is difficult to say as we don't know what composite materials it's made of, how much gravity it has, how much radiation it gets from it's star, etc.
Remember the Blastars?
We're a mutable species, that even if most of the species wouldn't get super powers under a red sun, some might and others would certainly would.
We're a mutable species, that even if most of the species wouldn't get super powers under a red sun, some might and others would certainly would.
Frank Miller currently writes All-Star ***@@###**!!!
Wouldn't Superman's ability to fly require that Krypton have a higher force of gravity?
If Lois - or any human - were to go to Krypton, they would be crushed by that gravity.
If Lois - or any human - were to go to Krypton, they would be crushed by that gravity.
Eh. Maybe.
Strictly speaking Superman being able to "fly" doesn't wash with Earth simply having less strong of gravity as that'd simply allow him to "jump really high" but he'd still have trouble walking around and moving around looking like a normal person (note how the astronauts walk on the moon. It's hard to move "normally" when your body weighs a fraction of normal) and it doesn't account for him being able to "propel" himself through the air (i.e. speeding up and slowing down and changing direction.)
It's one of a few ways people try and rationalize Superman's powers on Earth but doesn't completely jive with what would really happen. Superman can fly and move through the air "like a bird" yet still move around on the ground like a human simply because being under a yellow sun gives him the power to manipulate or simply ignore gravity.
So it's possible Krypton had the same, or similar, gravity to Earth but without the power of the "yellow sun" to give Kryptonians the ability to fly/move through the air.
Strictly speaking Superman being able to "fly" doesn't wash with Earth simply having less strong of gravity as that'd simply allow him to "jump really high" but he'd still have trouble walking around and moving around looking like a normal person (note how the astronauts walk on the moon. It's hard to move "normally" when your body weighs a fraction of normal) and it doesn't account for him being able to "propel" himself through the air (i.e. speeding up and slowing down and changing direction.)
It's one of a few ways people try and rationalize Superman's powers on Earth but doesn't completely jive with what would really happen. Superman can fly and move through the air "like a bird" yet still move around on the ground like a human simply because being under a yellow sun gives him the power to manipulate or simply ignore gravity.
So it's possible Krypton had the same, or similar, gravity to Earth but without the power of the "yellow sun" to give Kryptonians the ability to fly/move through the air.
Not to make it the be all or end of examples but I'm pretty sure that "Smallville" has suggested and made it quite clear in it's universe that the yellow sun is the source of power for the Kryptonians and nothing else.
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