It looks more like that guy is giving us evil beedy eyes. You could caption him with: SOON
A Star Trek The Motion Picture blooper?
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^ Yep, the first time you said it before me, too!
The tram also had a star on the door similar to the one on Kirk's shoulder marks; I've wondered if it was supposed to be similar to the flags or plates admirals/generals use on their vehicles today, and the air tram might be for his exclusive use. Maybe she's the "admiral's coxswain," and stays with the "boat."
^ D'oh! The star. I'd forgotten about that years ago. J.T.B., you're absolutely right.
One wonders what to make of the other two, matted-in boats there - slightly bigger, with twin (probably quadruple, or else these things come in left- and right-handed variants!) entry doors. Less comfort to be found aboard? More?
The two are in colors identical to Kirk's ride, but we don't know what those colors stand for. Starfleet-like red cheats on white, yes, but nothing explicitly says "Starfleet". There's the UFP logo there on Kirk's craft, and on the floor of the facility as well. Why the "civilian" flavor to this place? Is it not SF HQ, despite all the uniforms, but instead just the public shuttlepark nearest to SF HQ?
The facility is pretty massive, with escalators and all, but with fairly few of those landing tracks for the acreage. Kirk's craft has a low single-digit ID number. There, too, we get conflicting information. Big or small?
The facility sort of fits between the affordable sets of the other TOS movies and the more grandiose takes of the recent films. Perhaps there's in-universe truth to that, too? A big facility downscaled and pared down either because budgets plummeted or technology compacted?
There probably were ideas behind all this that were never properly expressed. Or are there backstage stories of what was intended with the ambiguity? Did TPTB just lack the visual language that says "Starfleet" in all the later installments? The Delta Shield wasn't yet pan-Starfleet in their thinking, but what about the banana symbol found on every TOS starship and the "Court Martial" wall?
Timo Saloniemi
The two are in colors identical to Kirk's ride, but we don't know what those colors stand for. Starfleet-like red cheats on white, yes, but nothing explicitly says "Starfleet". There's the UFP logo there on Kirk's craft, and on the floor of the facility as well. Why the "civilian" flavor to this place? Is it not SF HQ, despite all the uniforms, but instead just the public shuttlepark nearest to SF HQ?
The facility is pretty massive, with escalators and all, but with fairly few of those landing tracks for the acreage. Kirk's craft has a low single-digit ID number. There, too, we get conflicting information. Big or small?
The facility sort of fits between the affordable sets of the other TOS movies and the more grandiose takes of the recent films. Perhaps there's in-universe truth to that, too? A big facility downscaled and pared down either because budgets plummeted or technology compacted?
There probably were ideas behind all this that were never properly expressed. Or are there backstage stories of what was intended with the ambiguity? Did TPTB just lack the visual language that says "Starfleet" in all the later installments? The Delta Shield wasn't yet pan-Starfleet in their thinking, but what about the banana symbol found on every TOS starship and the "Court Martial" wall?
Timo Saloniemi
Guy in jacket: "Excuse me, sir, but can you spare some change?"
Admiral Kirk: "Sorry, we don't use money in the 23rd century."
My initial response to seeing TMP for the first time was "This whole movie is a blooper."
Back in 1979, I remember some disappointed fans saying everything in TMP was terrible from the start to the Enterprise reveal...and everything after the Enterprise reveal.
They were a rough crowd!
I remember Shatner wrote two anecdotes about TMP in his ST:Movie Memories book.
(1) The premiere of ST:TMP was on December 7th, Pearl Harbor Day. He thought that was appropriate for the film's debut.
(2) Shatner dozed off during the film.
So did I. Somewhere during the 15-20 minute overflight of V'ger, I took a long nap. Boring!
I dont think that was meant to be seen..... Your watching a WIDESCREEEN picture and originally everyone was @ regular resolution so he wouldnt have been seen....pfontaine2 said:
I could be wrong though,Ill watch my SD copy today I have on VHS today and see........
Umm, no. We're talking about a theatrical feature film that was originally projected onto gigantic wall screens. Film is natively high-definition. And of course the edges of the picture would have been visible, because the widescreen format was invented for motion picture screens.
According to Darren Dochterman he believes its a second Assistant director and he's cueing the woman who walks behind Kirk (who kinda looks like she came out of Logan's Run)
So I've watched this movie a ridiculous number of times, and only noticed something now which would seem to be a blooper of sorts as well or at least a HUGE breach of protocol. Kirk meets the crew of the Enterprise on the bridge and everyone is happy to see him. Kirk asks where Decker is and Sulu says "He's in Engineering sir, and uh, he doesn't know." Nobody else seems surprised or confused by Sulu's statement. Even the alien dude with the big forehead indicates Decker shouldn't be relieved and Ohura comments something like "Our chances of survival just doubled..."
Sooo, Kirk planned to take command of the Enterprise, someone informed at least some of the bridge crew that Kirk was not only on board but was also taking over command, and nobody gave the Captain a heads-up?!? No wonder Decker is removed from command!!! How is the Captain of the starship the last person to know this information? Did someone at Starfleet call and make this announcement to the bridge crew? Did Kirk talk to Sulu about the change of command before the Captain of the ship? Even if Ohura found out as communications officer, shouldn't she keep it quiet until Decker was informed?!? Most importantly, how did I never hear this line before???
Sooo, Kirk planned to take command of the Enterprise, someone informed at least some of the bridge crew that Kirk was not only on board but was also taking over command, and nobody gave the Captain a heads-up?!? No wonder Decker is removed from command!!! How is the Captain of the starship the last person to know this information? Did someone at Starfleet call and make this announcement to the bridge crew? Did Kirk talk to Sulu about the change of command before the Captain of the ship? Even if Ohura found out as communications officer, shouldn't she keep it quiet until Decker was informed?!? Most importantly, how did I never hear this line before???
When Kirk arrives on the bridge, Uhura says, "Starfleet just signaled your transfer-of-command orders, sir."
The answer to how everybody on the bridge knows Kirk is assuming command but Decker doesn't is literally right there at the start of the scene.
Doh! I missed that. I guess I better watch it again!
Interesting! I'd be tempted to wonder if it isn't just 23rd century civilian clothing (the silver jacket could conceivably be 'futuristic' rather than '1979'). But that shirt collar and those buttons definitely make me think it's a stage hand whose gotten into the shot by accident. The shirt doesn't seem particularly 'Star Trek'.
There are similar bloopers in the classic Doctor Who. 1982's ''Earthshock'' features one scene where a 'script supervisor' can be seen standing in the background, flipping through the pages of the script apparently unaware that she's managed to get on camera (and nobody else picked it up before broadcast, either!)
And a brief shot in "Four to Doomsday" (a few stories earlier from 1982) where a stagehand quickly ducks behind the set prop... these little bloopers aren't easy to see thanks to the action being elsewhere to distract, but once they're found...
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