Discussion in 'Science Fiction & Fantasy' started by Out Of My Vulcan Mind, Apr 21, 2011.
Bran, looking back through the weirwood net.
No seriously, Howland Reed is alive, presumably, and has not yet been seen in the story.
There may be others. There was almost certainly at least one other. Possibly Wylla. She certainly wouldn't have been left to give birth all alone.
Good point which gets missed by most people who are counting on Howland to proverbially ride into the story on a white horse and answer everyone's questions.
I on the other hand can see Howland coming into a scene, and then just as he is about to reveal R+L=J, he gets killed. It would be like Alderaan being destroyed all over again, as millions of fanboy voices suddenly cry out.
Then later on Jon, and readers, still find out the truth from some other character who till then has been ignored but was present at the Tower of Joy. Or not, and no one ever knows R+L=J.
That's exactly what I've been thinking. Like a personification of Ned Stark's copy of Robert Baratheon's last will and testament. But instead of being torn up or burned (can't remember how Cersei destroyed it), he gets killed.
I was disappointed in how the show handled Arya's closing scene in the red wedding episode. IIRC, the book had her fading to black after being maced in the head. While the show displayed her being carried off by the hound, clearly alive.
Hopefully the Jon Snow skewering will be a cliffhanger, and the viewers will get a good WTF moment out of the scene.
In the book the Hound hit her in the head with an axe, and the chapter ends.
Only in the following chapter do we learn that he hit her with he blunt end to knock her out.
Kind of hard to do that in a TV show, though not impossible.
I think they changed it to make sure that viewers didn't start throwing their remotes through their TVs. They've just seen the Red Wedding, thinking that Arya got killed as well would have been a little much for the show's audience.
I apologize if this was discussed on an earlier page, but have you of you guys read The World of Ice & Fire yet? I've seen all three season of GoT and read the GoT and about half of A Clash of Kings, and was wondering if it's worth reading.
That would depend on how much you enjoyed the world-building from the books you read. Does the idea of reading a fictional history book about the Targaryen kings appeal? Or a region-by-region geographical and historical overview of Westeros? Because that's what the book is. On those terms it's pretty enjoyable, but it's not going to appeal to everyone who likes the main series.
I have the book and am slowly working my way through it, its like Moody said, it depends on if you like this sort of thing. I'm a guy who reads Wikipedia articles on a nightly basis, so for me the answer is yes.
I'm in what appears to be the minority in that I love ASOIAF's frequent diversions into the history and mythos of Westeros (I know some people are shouting 'just get on with the story!' at those points) so I'm looking forward to getting this.
Yeah, I love this sort of thing too. If the question is, "Did you personally enjoy the book?", my answer would be "Heck yes." (And also, "Make them release Fire and Blood ASAP.") But that's because I'm the kind of person who wanted to know more about the aftermath of the Dance of the Dragons, the Third and Fourth Blackfyre Rebellions, etc.
Major TV version Game of Thrones spoilers in Vanity Fair here
Also more spoilers in Huffington Post.
And Daney Spoilers here
^ Can I take it that you mean spoilers even for those who've read the books, Tom? As in spoilers for where the TV show has departed from the books?
They might be book spoilers, they might not; if they are, they're not major ones. But I suppose you should stop reading if you absolutely don't want to know...
It's photos from filming for the Daznak's Pit sequence, and one of them shows several actors resting in a shady spot. Peter Dinklage is sitting with Emilia Clarke, Nathalie Emmanuel (Missandei), and Joel Fry (Hizdahr), which has led to speculation that Tyrion will interact with Dany earlier than in the books. He could just be sitting with them because that's where the shade is, though.
Without giving too much away, it appears they've accelerated on the TV show some of the characters, 'events,' from how it evolves in the books - notably Tyrions.
I was wondering what they were going to do with Penny. Glad they may be doing away with her. Although, there are certain aspects of Tyrion's journey across Essos that really should be included, especially his experience on the river and worrying about greyscale infection.
I seriously think they would have to do something with Griff. That seems like kind of a major plot point - y'know, having another Targaryen running about who's supposed to be dead. If they cut ALL these nuances of the story out, they're not going to have much in the way of anything significant left to tell.
Penny is a character who exists largely to highlight some of Tyrion's flaws, and since TV Tyrion has no flaws...
If they were doing anything with Griff this season I think we'd have seen some evidence by now. Maybe they're holding it back for season six or seven, but I suspect they're just dropping that strand of the narrative entirely. The same for Euron, Victarion, and the horn, and I doubt they'd be keeping Dorne if it didn't give an opportunity for badass sexytimes shenanigans with the Sand Snakes.
David Benioff confirms that Bran won't appear in season five at all, to keep his storyline chronologically parallel with others.
That makes sense. I thought it really odd they made Bran('s story) get as far as he(it) did last season.
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