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A Solar Black Hole

UY Scuti is currently the largest known star, but it's still just a red giant star.

Black holes and stars are not the same thing, and cannot be at the same time.

Learn basic science.
 
The simple fact that it's a star is proof that it's not a black hole.

Maybe one day if it eats too much and collapses in on itself?
 
UY Scuti is currently the largest known star, but it's still just a red giant star.

Black holes and stars are not the same thing, and cannot be at the same time.

Learn basic science.


Actully I think it is the rest of you that need to learn science instead of putting on this act like you know when you don't know. Most your remarks are twisted semantics and nothing more.

A Red Giant could be considered a black hole for the following reasons:

1. Intense gravity that does not create orbital patterns but in fact pulls everything to the Red Giant that would normally be on a orbital transit of some type.
 
A Red Giant could be considered a black hole for the following reasons:

1. Intense gravity that does not create orbital patterns but in fact pulls everything to the Red Giant that would normally be on a orbital transit of some type.
A Red Giant isn't a black anything. It certainly isn't a Gravitationally Completely Collapsed Object (which I believe is or was the formal name for a Black Hole), and I don't think there's evidence that Red Giants contain singularities or event horizons.
 
UY Scuti the first Sun powerful enough to consume everything in its gravitational field.

UY Scuti the first Solar Black Hole.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QHlUUxWM0-c

If it's a red giant, then it is not a black hole. If it is a white dwarf, it is not a black hole. If it is a yellow main sequence star, it is not a black hole. If it is <insert classification of active star here>, it is not a black hole. A black hole is a black hole. Here is some information on how that works: http://www.physlink.com/Education/AskExperts/ae253.cfm
 
Actually I think it is the rest of you that need to learn science instead of putting on this act like you know when you don't know. Most of your remarks are twisted semantics and nothing more.

A Sun could be considered a black hole for the following reasons:

1. Intense gravity that does not allow or create orbital transits around the Sun but would in fact pull everything to the Sun based on the objects mass. Objects with larger mass might possibly be able to enter into an orbital transit around such a Sun but would have to be extremely enormous in size.

2. An object passing across the Event Horizon of a Sun that due to its smaller mass the object would not be able to escape the gravitational influence of the Sun regardless of how much thrust the object created against the gravitational pull.

3. Black Holes and Stars do occupy each other at the some moment. If a black hole and star did not occupy the same space and time then the star would never have the potential of becoming a black hole.
 
Actually I think it is the rest of you that need to learn science instead of putting on this act like you know when you don't know. Most of your remarks are twisted semantics and nothing more.

A Sun could be considered a black hole for the following reasons:

1. Intense gravity that does not allow or create orbital transits around the Sun but would in fact pull everything to the Sun based on the objects mass. Objects with larger mass might possibly be able to enter into an orbital transit around such a Sun but would have to be extremely enormous in size.

2. An object passing across the Event Horizon of a Sun that due to its smaller mass the object would not be able to escape the gravitational influence of the Sun regardless of how much thrust the object created against the gravitational pull.

3. Black Holes and Stars do occupy each other at the some moment. If a black hole and star did not occupy the same space and time then the star would never have the potential of becoming a black hole.

Read the link I gave you. I shall give it to you again: http://www.physlink.com/Education/AskExperts/ae253.cfm

I shall also assist you further by referring you to people who have been studying these things since before either of us were born:

http://hubblesite.org/reference_desk/faq/answer.php.id=57&cat=exotic

http://science.nasa.gov/astrophysics/focus-areas/black-holes/

http://www.nasa.gov/audience/forstudents/5-8/features/nasa-knows/what-is-a-black-hole-58.html

http://www.physicsoftheuniverse.com/topics_blackholes_blackholes.html

http://www.phys.vt.edu/~jhs/faq/blackholes.html

http://www.nature.com/scitable/blog/realscization/if_a_black_hole_is


And if that isn't working, start with the basics:

http://www.cosmos4kids.com/files/stars_blackholes.html

https://www.esa.int/esaKIDSen/SEM0V1BE8JG_OurUniverse_0.html


If you have read this far, then excellent, hopefully you have now realized you were wrong, and have been dissuaded of your initial position. If it has not changed, then your definitions are your own, and lack any root in actual science. You are free to have them, but do not pass them off as informed or educated. Thank you, and have a nice day.
 
1. Intense gravity that does not allow or create orbital transits around the Sun but would in fact pull everything to the Sun based on the objects mass. Objects with larger mass might possibly be able to enter into an orbital transit around such a Sun but would have to be extremely enormous in size.
That's wouldn't make it a black hole. That would make it a star with intense gravity.

2. An object passing across the Event Horizon of a Sun that due to its smaller mass the object would not be able to escape the gravitational influence of the Sun regardless of how much thrust the object created against the gravitational pull.
That also would not make the star a black hole. The same thing happens with ordinary stars and even with planets.

3. Black Holes and Stars do occupy each other at the some moment.
No they don't.

Every star and planet in the universe has a Schwartzchild radius, consistent with its overall mass. An object whose physical radius is larger than the schwartzchild radius is not, repeat, NOT a black hole, by definition of the theory.

That does not mean there is a black event horizon in the center of a star waiting for the star to collapse into it. It means that IF the mass of the star were compressed below that radius, the acceleration of its surface gravity would exceed the speed of light.
 
Light cannot escape from a black hole, hence its name.

Light can escape from UY Scuti, therefore it's not a black hole. As its mass is thirty times or so greater than the Sun, its core will eventually collapse to become a black hole when it explodes as a supernova -- but until then:

[yt]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y4rbl3pVs_c[/yt]
 
Actually I think it is the rest of you that need to learn science instead of putting on this act like you know when you don't know. Most of your remarks are twisted semantics and nothing more.

A Sun could be considered a black hole for the following reasons:

1. Intense gravity that does not allow or create orbital transits around the Sun but would in fact pull everything to the Sun based on the objects mass. Objects with larger mass might possibly be able to enter into an orbital transit around such a Sun but would have to be extremely enormous in size.

2. An object passing across the Event Horizon of a Sun that due to its smaller mass the object would not be able to escape the gravitational influence of the Sun regardless of how much thrust the object created against the gravitational pull.

3. Black Holes and Stars do occupy each other at the some moment. If a black hole and star did not occupy the same space and time then the star would never have the potential of becoming a black hole.

As shown in the Hertzsprung-Russell Diagram, Main Sequence stars span a wide range of luminosities and colors, and can be classified according to those characteristics. The smallest stars, known as red dwarfs, may contain as little as 10% the mass of the Sun and emit only 0.01% as much energy, glowing feebly at temperatures between 3000-4000K. Despite their diminutive nature, red dwarfs are by far the most numerous stars in the Universe and have lifespans of tens of billions of years.

On the other hand, the most massive stars, known as hypergiants, may be 100 or more times more massive than the Sun, and have surface temperatures of more than 30,000 K. Hypergiants emit hundreds of thousands of times more energy than the Sun, but have lifetimes of only a few million years. Although extreme stars such as these are believed to have been common in the early Universe, today they are extremely rare - the entire Milky Way galaxy contains only a handful of hypergiants.



On the other hand, the most massive stars, known as hypergiants, may be 100 or more times more massive than the Sun, and have surface temperatures of more than 30,000 K. Hypergiants emit hundreds of thousands of times more energy than the Sun,


http://science.nasa.gov/astrophysics/focus-areas/how-do-stars-form-and-evolve/

If a sun therefore does not emit enough energy to keep from collapsing but does not collapse but the pressure against the smaller massed objects orbiting the Sun are pushed towards the Sun from larger massed objects further away from the sun where the smaller massed objects continue a degenerate transit into the Sun followed by the larger massed objects further out that are being pushed into the sun by larger massed objects further away exerting an inward force then the sun can be considered a Solar Black Hole.

This would take place when the orbital transits of the objects involved degenerated in their transits around the Sun that would over time cause the objects to collide with the Sun but would not have the objects spin off into space.

It takes light millions of years to leave the Sun and is not an instant process.

The Universe is a Big Place. As far I know we haven't even left the planet and colonized the Moon yet so to say that everything would be the same in all Galaxies based on how the Milky Way Galaxy is and how the Sol System is rather a degenerate orbit.
 
From the link you used as an example in your post:

Black Holes
If the collapsed stellar core is larger than three solar masses, it collapses completely to form a black hole: an infinitely dense object whose gravity is so strong that nothing can escape its immediate proximity, not even light. Since photons are what our instruments are designed to see, black holes can only be detected indirectly. Indirect observations are possible because the gravitational field of a black hole is so powerful that any nearby material - often the outer layers of a companion star - is caught up and dragged in. As matter spirals into a black hole, it forms a disk that is heated to enormous temperatures, emitting copious quantities of X-rays and Gamma-rays that indicate the presence of the underlying hidden companion.
So, no. No. Your initial supposition is wrong. Your point is still erroneous. It is way off base. It has no connection to any science whatsoever beyond using words that appear in scientific articles. Your initial statement is wrong. This cannot be said enough, apparently.
 
Epic fail, dude -- from the same link:

If the collapsed stellar core is larger than three solar masses, it collapses completely to form a black hole: an infinitely dense object whose gravity is so strong that nothing can escape its immediate proximity, not even light. Since photons are what our instruments are designed to see, black holes can only be detected indirectly. Indirect observations are possible because the gravitational field of a black hole is so powerful that any nearby material - often the outer layers of a companion star - is caught up and dragged in. As matter spirals into a black hole, it forms a disk that is heated to enormous temperatures, emitting copious quantities of X-rays and Gamma-rays that indicate the presence of the underlying hidden companion.

ETA: Beaten to it, heh.
 
It takes light millions of years to leave the Sun and is not an instant process.

Allegedly. But even if true - and a similar claim has been given the classic putdown of being "not even wrong" - it has little or nothing to do with the Sun's gravitational field.

http://www.askamathematician.com/20...ousands-of-years-for-light-to-escape-the-sun/

Go back to Meme world. Semantics is not an answer to anything.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neutron_star

It takes a light photon between 10,000 and a million years to leave the interior of the sun where it is generated at.
 
It takes light millions of years to leave the Sun and is not an instant process.

Allegedly. But even if true - and a similar claim has been given the classic putdown of being "not even wrong" - it has little or nothing to do with the Sun's gravitational field.

http://www.askamathematician.com/20...ousands-of-years-for-light-to-escape-the-sun/

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neutron_star
You clearly did not read any of the links I posted for you, neither did you listen to Crazy Eddie when he told you about the Swartzchild Radius.

Here: https://www.astro.umd.edu/~miller/poster1.html

Read it. Learn it. Love it.
 
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