A Sequel to Jedi: Fallen Order has been Announced, Along With Two Other New Games

[JD]

On top of that, there are different genres, and not everybody is not going to be into everything. With SW being as popular as it is, it can afford to share certain aspects across genres. I have a friend who doesn't play FPS games due to motion sickness, but that shouldn't lock him out of an experience, for instance. Yeah, I realize it's the reverse in the current argument, but I think the same would be true the other way around. Back in the days, you had RPGs, multiple FPSes, platformers, third-person shooters, that all heavily featured the jedi in some manner. Why? Well, because they're popular, it's what people want access to.

Another good point. Thinking about it more, Fallen Order had a unique enough story and characters, that they could do more Jedi games with out it feeling to repetetive. That main issue in the other post, just that doing to many games in the same genre focused on the same kind of characters could get to repetivie. I guess on the non-Star Wars FPS front we've got both the Battlefield and Call of Duty games focusing on soldiers, and they're usually pretty good at doing things in way that keep them interesting.

And I heard somewhere, I think it was a previous press-release, stating that there was a commitment to more single-player experiences, which I think includes even FPSes. And they can make more Battlefronts if they want, but why single out those who don't play competitive shooters? That's one thing I'll never go near.

Even if the focus is on the multiplayer aspect, I'll be happy as long as it has a single player campaign too. I loved the Battlefront II campaign, and have enjoyed several of the Call of Duty games' too.

 

[Reverend]

The trailer was outsourced apparently.



Respawn had job openings a couple weeks before the announcement for work on a AAA single player shooter. So it's probably single player only.

Plus it's being made by Respawn, if it was Battlefront 3, it would probably be made by DICE again.

Maybe not literally BF3, but it can't exactly be a million miles away from it either, single player or otherwise; That's the thing about FPS's; the "S" = shooter. And let's not forget, for better or worse the BF series does have a SP component, so these aren't mutually exclusive concepts.

Yes, you can get first person RPGs, but they're typically third/first person hybrids like the modern Fallouts (and to a certain extent, Deus Ex.) And semantics aside, I don't think anyone would call Skyrim an FPS, despite being played in first person. (I also don't include VR games in this, for obvious reasons.)

As I said, if it involves lightsabers, then it's probably not going to focus on FP. So as this is FP, then for Star Wars that means blasters. Which basically means a military shooter of some sort, with Battlefront, Republic Commando & Dark Forces being the main precedents. Whether you're playing a Stormtrooper, Rebel, Clone, or mercenary in this kind of game is just window dressing.

Don't get me wrong, I'd love a Deus Ex style Star Wars first person RPG centred around deep, character centric plots set in the galaxy's underworld, from 1313, to Nar Shaddaa, to the slums of Corellia, filled with intrigue, spies, smugglers; and also; plot twist, in the final scene it's revealed you've been playing as Mara Jade all along, and you've just successfully infiltrated the Alliance, on the hunt for Fulcrum . . . I just don't think it's very likely. At least, not in this instance.

 

[Owain Taggart]

Well, not everything has to be an First-Person experiences either. Just look at the variety of games that could be offered. The Star Wars franchise offers up many possibilities.

Thinking about it more, Fallen Order had a unique enough story and characters, that they could do more Jedi games with out it feeling to repetetive. That main issue in the other post, just that doing to many games in the same genre focused on the same kind of characters could get to repetivie.

True, and that's another good point. That's why it's important to have defining characters. The thing that made the Jedi Knight games, and Dark Forces before that was the character of Kyle Katarn, and it was a compelling story for the time. Essentially a mercenary turned Jedi. And then the KOTOR games explored different aspects of being a Jedi with its focus on different gameplay.

 

[Reverend]

Well, not everything has to be an First-Person experiences either. Just look at the variety of games that could be offered. The Star Wars franchise offers up many possibilities.

I didn't say they did. I was responding to specific speculation about this particular project, which reportedly is going to be an FPS.

True, and that's another good point. That's why it's important to have defining characters. The thing that made the Jedi Knight games, and Dark Forces before that was the character of Kyle Katarn, and it was a compelling story for the time. Essentially a mercenary turned Jedi. And then the KOTOR games explored different aspects of being a Jedi with its focus on different gameplay.

I'd argue that BF2 got an even more interesting and compelling character than Kyle ever was (and I'm a DF/JK fan from way back) in the form of Iden Versio . . . at least in theory. Where it fell down was a paucity of narrative volume.
A fully fleshed out single player game dedicated to telling that story could have been great, but what we got was in interesting opening, followed by a whiplash inducing character turn, then a bunch of barely connected side stories that don't even feature the main character, rounded off by a perfunctory climax and a coda tie-in to the then upcoming movie.
Personally Kyle as a character didn't have all that much going on. He felt like a fairly generic Han Solo knock-off character that cropped up more than once in the EU. Indeed being a VG character rather hampered any sense of an arc since every game has to have him either start basically from scratch, or have him disappear off-screen as the player embodies a new character in his stead, relegating him to a supporting role in his own series.
Indeed it always felt off that they kept him from DF to JK instead of invented a new character as the lead. Having a grizzled mercenary veteran go on a typical hero's journey and become a Jedi was just downright odd.

Also let's be clear about KotOR: the main character was a cipher for the player experience, not really a character into themselves.

 

[Owain Taggart]

I didn't say they did. I was responding to specific speculation about this particular project, which reportedly is going to be an FPS.

I was speaking to the overall ongoing discussion rather than anyone in specific. And even so, an FPS still gives it many directions that it could go in. I look forward to seeing where they go with it. For all we know, it could be about a Talon Kardde style mercenary. I'd love to see a SW FPS that also includes X-Wing-like ship combat for variety. Either way, I'd love a return to a good singleplayer Star Wars FPS.

But as to the Battlefront games, I don't really like them much. I'm assuming the reboot of the series had more of a story going for it, because the original games definitely had more a multiplayer structure to their gameplay, even while playing in singleplayer.

Also let's be clear about KotOR: the main character was a cipher for the player experience, not really a character into themselves.

Well sure, but they were still primarily Jedi-based characters, but players had more flexibility to mold them how they saw fit.

 

[Reverend]

I was speaking to the overall ongoing discussion rather than anyone in specific. And even so, an FPS still gives it many directions that it could go in.

Not really, at least not in today's market. I mean if they're calling it an FPS, that means they want people to know it's an FPS. That's a very specific genre that's far and away dominated by military shooters. If it was a first person RPG, then they'd have called it that instead.

Well sure, but they were still primarily Jedi-based characters, but players had more flexibility to mold them how they saw fit.

Yeah; a cipher. Literally what I just said.

 

[Owain Taggart]

Not really, at least not in today's market. I mean if they're calling it an FPS, that means they want people to know it's an FPS. That's a very specific genre that's far and away dominated by military shooters. If it was a first person RPG, then they'd have called it that instead.

No, I mean, there are multiple ways they could creatively build a compelling story within the FPS genre, and within the SW universe. They have in the past, with story-heavy FPS games with all kinds of stories. Just saying that there are many avenues they could go in with an FPS in the SW Universe. I mean, look, you can have it be about a mercenary, or a rogue stormtrooper, or whatever, and people will eat it up. I just want a good single-player story-driven FPS game.

And I never did say advocate for a first-person RPG. Those are your words. You somehow think I'm saying I want a first-person RPG, but lines must have been crossed at some point. When I referred to RPGs, I meant in general as one of many genres SW has had in the past, and I was listing some of the previous genres Jedi were appearing in as playable characters. It doesn't mean I want a first-person RPG, although now that you mention it, it would be kind of cool, but I agree that it would never happen, at least in SW. It kind of wouldn't fit. So, if there was some confusion, I apologize.

 

[Tuskin38]

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[Tosk]

I wonder if I'll even be able to get a PS5 by then.

 

[JD]

Was the person in the Bacta Tank someone we know? It went by so fast I couldn't get a good look at them.
That was an awesome trailer.

 

[David cgc]

Based on the skintone and hair, the person in the Bacta looked like a Nightsister to me, though with the mild flaw in that interpretation that we could see their chest in the reveal shot, and they're clearly a dude. Up until now, it seemed only the the women of Dathomir had that kind of color, but that could always be retconned.

 

[Tuskin38]

Was the person in the Bacta Tank someone we know?

No

 

[JD]

OK, thanks.

Based on the skintone and hair, the person in the Bacta looked like a Nightsister to me, though with the mild flaw in that interpretation that we could see their chest in the reveal shot, and they're clearly a dude. Up until now, it seemed only the the women of Dathomir had that kind of color, but that could always be retconned.

Yeah, they did seem pretty pale.

 

[Reverend]

I'll be honest my brain went to Jorus C'baoth, even though that's clearly a bacta tank not a cloning cylinder. Could be though I guess (the actual guy, not the clone) or a similar such character; old Jedi Master who's been in medical stasis in a crashed ship since the Clone Wars (or before?) Or an old Sith Lord I suppose? One that escaped his apprentice's assassination attempt, but only just, and was somehow left marooned on a forgotten wreck for centuries.

 

[Tuskin38]

The full steam page accidentally went up early, it's been wiped now but someone screen capped it
https://cdn.knockout.chat/image/1338-045519d7-5ca4-413a-9de9-fe99c1e0a0d8.png

Release date is March 16th.

 

[137th Gebirg]

Hmmm. No console version.

 

[Tuskin38]

Hmmm. No console version.

It will be on current gen consoles

 

[137th Gebirg]

Cool. Didn't see that on the screen cap. Thx!

 

[Mr. Adventure]

Cool. Didn't see that on the screen cap. Thx!

Well, you probably won't on the Steam page...

 

[137th Gebirg]

Good point.