A Semi-Hater Revisits Voyager

Discussion in 'Star Trek: Voyager' started by TheGodBen, Feb 9, 2009.

  1. You_Guyz

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    A lot of those ratings are BS. While Voyager failed to live up to its premise, there's no denying that it had a lot of very enjoyable episodes that do not deserve the ratings given to them by GodBen.
     
  2. scnj

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    It occurs to me that you could make your own ratings thread instead of complaining about someone else's opinion.
     
  3. TheGodBen

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    Yes! :hugegrin: This thread was saved from oblivion and now has the chance to go over the 100,000 view mark! Thank you You_Guyz! :techman:

    It sure did, and it had some of the all-time great Trek episodes such as Living Witness, Scorpion, Timeless, Meld... all classics. But I feel it had far too much guff in too many episodes for me to get into it. If you'd like to read my opinions of Enterprise (plug warning!) I have a thread in the Enterprise forum you can read, I'm just about to start watching the exciting conclusion to the Xindi arc, so that should be fun. :) And if you're planning to stick around I'll be starting DS9 in about a month and that should also be fun.
     
  4. Kegg

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    Sure there is. Opinions differ about stuff. To you VOY's a mite better than it is to GodBen, to still others it could be considerably worse. This is just one's view.

    There's no calf so golden that it can't be knocked down by Charlton Heston and some primitive 1950s SFX as Elmer Bernstein's score pompously resounds, if I may coin a phrase.
     
  5. You_Guyz

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    Season 3 was better than Godben gives it credit for ....
     
  6. TheGodBen

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    100,010 views!! Suck it Voyager fans! :p ;)

    So when does T'Bonz give me the medal and box of Cuban cigars?

    Oh I'd strongly disagree with that, season 3 made me want to give up. It had some good episodes, but I think that was the season where the show went in completely the wrong direction and was content to be a TNG clone.
     
  7. kes7

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    I'll pass, thanks. :rolleyes: But congrats on your glorious achievement. :bolian:
     
  8. kimc

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    They've all been smoked. That's all I know. ;)
     
  9. TheGodBen

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    Even the medal? :(
     
  10. Kegg

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    Season 3? Never heard of it.

    (My avatar's from what?)

    But yeah, I mainly remember S3 for the episodes I liked - "Warlord" and "Darklight" such. "Worst Case Scenario" was pretty awesome just right before it became a malfunction episode (then it collapses) and "Scorpion" was the best season finale of the series. Then there was that episode where a Vulcan wanted to do Torres. Frustrating!

    Granted, I haven't seen the season in years, I vaguely remember "Rise" (I don't want to remember "Rise", I think) and I have a selective memory when it comes to all of Trek's seasons - TOS S3 is the year of "The Enterprise Incident" and "The Tholian Web".
     
  11. rahullak

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    TheGodBen, you shoulda had more faith in yourself. You coulda made your reviews into a book and sold it. Now its all in the public domain and you can't make money from it. :D

    Or can you? :shifty:
     
  12. kimc

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    It bounced real nice for a game of quarters - a drinking game probably called something else in other parts.

    Anyway, this is all based on heresay... ;)
     
  13. TheGodBen

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    Damn that T'Bonz! She doesn't like me just because I'm Praetor's sock-puppet. :(
     
  14. Praetor

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    ^:rommie:

    Quiet, you.
     
  15. Tomalak

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    Yeah, pretty much. I think their attempted reboot in season 4 improved the show in the short term, but the damage had already been done. It was impossible to make it into a genuinely excellent TV programme because of the way the characters and the set-up had been established.
     
  16. Anwar

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    What, that they had decided not to let petty politics tear them apart and that it was more important they work together to survive?
     
  17. TheGodBen

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    Why is it that whenever people say that Voyager missed its potential you immediately assume that they mean they wanted the show to be a goth-fest that ended with a mass suicide cult?

    Here's the way that a devilishly handsome semi-hater whose name I can't quite remember felt that season 3 should have played out:
     
  18. Tomalak

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    Not necessarily. What I mean is that they were already set in their ways with inconsistent characterisation and little continuity*. Most characters had effectively been assassinated, stuck with very narrow personalities that pigeon-holed them into various types of story. I'm thinking particularly of poor old Neelix, Harry Kim, Chakotay, and Torres and Paris to an extent. They never knew what to do with Kes. There were examples of excellent episodes featuring all these characters, but they were the exception, and never had any long-term impact.

    Chief among them was Janeway, who was an incredibly inconsistent character. This is pretty hard to deny. Her moral outlook changed with the weather, and this is the fault of poor writing. I never had a problem with Kate Mulgrew, but I did with Janeway. Too often characters were bent to fit the plot rather than the story naturally following their actions.


    * I mean characters not developing after the events of an episode, not technobabble "canon" things.


    Exactly, there's always the assumption that critics of Voyager just wanted it to be written by Ron Moore and be like DS9 or BSG. That's not the case. The show was the unfortunate result of studio politics, and apparently internal politics within the writing staff, which meant it never really developed a consistent style and personality to my mind.

    You can be episodic and be good, but you must have someone in control who knows the direction the show is taking. TNG worked brilliantly, because the writers knew what a TNG type story was. I couldn't say the same for Voyager.
     
  19. Praetor

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    Well said, gents.
     
  20. You_Guyz

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    Collective was such a cheesy episode.