The line is easy to draw. We'd be doing Perry, Cobb, and Ruth a grave disservice if we lumped them in the same category as this generation's embarrassing steroid-abusing cheaters.
A-Rod's troubles
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The line is easy to draw. We'd be doing Perry, Cobb, and Ruth a grave disservice if we lumped them in the same category as this generation's embarrassing steroid-abusing cheaters.
I'm a Red Sox fan and I despise A-Rod. That being said - I could not care less about it. I don't care that anyone took steroids before MLB actually banned them. The whole era is tainted - not just those that tested positive - and MLB was complicit. Any that are Hall eligible should still get in.
Steroids have been banned by MLB (unless the player has a valid prescription) since 1991.
I've tried not to care that much about it, but it's hard when it's the only sports story going around that's actually reported. I'm glad he admitted it, but I think a whole new pandora's box has been opened for those other 103 players to come out and admit they took steroids. We really need to move on from all of this and I want to see the sport move on. I also want to see Bud Selig resign and hang his head in shame for allowing this to get this out of control. I would also blame Donald Fehr as well, but he unfortunately has too much power of the players union.
What do Canseco and A-Rod have in common? Has anyone checked Guy Ritchie for 'roids yet? 
Like it or not, that's how the most powerful and corrupt union in American -- the player's union -- operates. Could you imagine a baseball player under fire for breeding and fighting dogs? The MLBPA would say that wasn't illegal under baseball rules.
Like it or not, that's how the most powerful and corrupt union in American -- the player's union -- operates. Could you imagine a baseball player under fire for breeding and fighting dogs? The MLBPA would say that wasn't illegal under baseball rules.
I'm technically a Yankees aficionado! Well, raised in the “faith” of Yankee aficionadodom
That being said I say eff A-Roid
A-Roid & his multimillion-dollar billfold can go to Hades in a handbasket if you ask me.
A-Roid looks like a d*ck because he is one!
Ditto for Conseco the areswhipe.
MLB should rid itself of these cretins.
A-Roid has more money than he or his family'll ever use in 5 generations, so I say MLB & the Bronx Bombers take back all those million$ wa$ted on A-Roid the Pri*k & redistribute it amongst season ticket holders
A good start would be FREE season tix & concessions for season tixers, & then give'em all A-Roid's dough
I ain't goin to no criminally overpriced baseball match while A-Roid & his fellow MLB arseclowns get paid ludicrou$ly
PS: Hollywood actors & actresses are another criminally overpaid horde of hogs
That being said I say eff A-Roid
A-Roid & his multimillion-dollar billfold can go to Hades in a handbasket if you ask me.
A-Roid looks like a d*ck because he is one!
Ditto for Conseco the areswhipe.
MLB should rid itself of these cretins.
A-Roid has more money than he or his family'll ever use in 5 generations, so I say MLB & the Bronx Bombers take back all those million$ wa$ted on A-Roid the Pri*k & redistribute it amongst season ticket holders
A good start would be FREE season tix & concessions for season tixers, & then give'em all A-Roid's dough
I ain't goin to no criminally overpriced baseball match while A-Roid & his fellow MLB arseclowns get paid ludicrou$ly
PS: Hollywood actors & actresses are another criminally overpaid horde of hogs
What I am surprised is at this:
1) Quite disturbing that there are even names and records for the FBI to find considering the urine tests were all 'supposed' to be anonymous. I find that very, very suspicious that the testing agency even recorded names down.
The MLB and players union should look into that.
2) Very surprised A-rod 'admitted' to the steroids. I figure he would just follow the party line and deny it till he was blue.
I remember watching him on an interview several years ago about his training regime. Before every Rangers game, he'd practice hitting like 100 balls off a tee and I thought that was and is pretty impressive. The steroids that he used don't change that.
1) Quite disturbing that there are even names and records for the FBI to find considering the urine tests were all 'supposed' to be anonymous. I find that very, very suspicious that the testing agency even recorded names down.
The MLB and players union should look into that.
2) Very surprised A-rod 'admitted' to the steroids. I figure he would just follow the party line and deny it till he was blue.
I remember watching him on an interview several years ago about his training regime. Before every Rangers game, he'd practice hitting like 100 balls off a tee and I thought that was and is pretty impressive. The steroids that he used don't change that.
I'm not a A-Rod fan by any means, but I'll give him a little credit for at least admitting that he used 'roids. The thing is, at this point, unless proven otherwise, I kind of assume players are using something to get them ahead. Kind of a sad mentality, but cheating usually tends to outpace the testing of anything that's meant to prevent it.
I listened to Peter Gammons on Mike & Mike this morning, about the subject of Gammons' interview with A-Rod. Peter said that every chance A-Rod could have taken to divert blame to something else ("the culture", "everyone else was doing it", etc) R-Rod kept replying with, "No, it's me. I took the drugs. It was my decision, my fault" (sic)
I'm not giving A-Rod a blank slate, but that was encouraging to hear. Even though there is something to those other "excuses", A-Rod mans up about his being at fault in the whole matter.
I'm not giving A-Rod a blank slate, but that was encouraging to hear. Even though there is something to those other "excuses", A-Rod mans up about his being at fault in the whole matter.
Have you SEEN the guy? Maybe that ISN'T lipstick, and his lips are blue from all the denial he was living in?
And can't remember if i said it in this thread already or the other one, but he's lucky this is coming out now. He's had enough other people outted and seen how it worked out. Pettitte, Brian Roberts, etc admitted it and were basically let off the hook. The rest of the group, which denied it, even lied under oath, they're all getting slammed, risking jail time, and their reputations are toast.
After seeing that, not too hard to realize a quick confession, while saying it's all ancient history, is the best way to go here...
There is no reason to release the names, they were supposed to have been destroyed by the union in the first place. There's nothing MLB can do about the people on those lists anyway.
RAMA
A lot of the big name players from the 30s to the early 60s played in a "live ball" era. Their numbers were inflated as well. You could say the numbers in the last 15 years are inflated by steroids, but the players today are way better athletes than even their peers in the 70s. Again I have to re-iterate that steroids can improve your performance but not skills, and hard work is required to improve. Any one of you posting on this thread could go on steroids and would never ever have the look of a pro bodybuilder or ever hit .270 in the major leagues. I have never taken illegal steroids. I never took anything hormonal till 2003. I changed my body from an overweight big guy to a bodybuilder without them. It IS also possible a lot of these guys did the same.
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But we aren't talking about them...we're talking about those who DID use steroids.
They should be exposed, fined heavily, and banned for life. They should lose all championchip or other titles, and be permanently ineligible for the Hall of Fame.
If they are NOT held to that standard, then MLB has NO integrity.
Irrelevant.
What the fuck are you talking about? Steroids have been illegal for quite some time.
That his stats are no doubt tainted and don't deserve to be recognized. Period. That he doesn't deserve to be in the hall of fame. Period. That he's a cheat and a liar, just like anyone else who uses an illegal substance to gain a competitive edge.So what's left to care about?
All these guys, A-Rod, Clemens, Bonds, Palmeiro, etc. should be erased from the record books to show how unacceptable their behavior was and how bad an example they set. The game is bigger than these guys and if you care about the game and its history I don't see how you can disagree.
Like you said though, you're a Yankee fan. I don't expect much.
He hit his most homers (57) when he was juiced.In 2007, A-Rod's best season, he was clean. Forget about it."I'm not here to talk about the past"
-Mark McGwire
It's funny how people are giving him credit for admitting it. Come on. If he wanted to come clean and be a stand-up guy, he had the last several years to do so. He had an interview with Katie Couric only 14 months ago and completely denied ever taking anything. Even emphasized how he didn't need to take it. Now he's admitting it, sure. Would he be if this news hadn't come out? Of course not! He'd still be swearing he's clean. So he deserves squat of credit for admitting something after he's basically been caught. That's the part he's sorry about - that he got caught.
The world is not coming to an end because of this, but it's too bad the HR record will remain tainted. I bet the Yankees were wishing like crazy that they put a steroid clause in A-Rod's contract. He'll get 30 million in bonuses for tying and passing the top four HR guys if he gets there.
I like Schilling's response - let's hear the other 103 names. I want to hear all the backpedaling and spins everybody tries to put on everything. It would be comical.
What you're seeing is still a bit refreshing, because he's not dodging the questions or blaming anyone but himself. How many other times do we see an athlete on the hot spot still be in denial or outright lying even when confronted with concrete evidence? Kobe? Roger? Barry?
It is nice to hear him say that instead of continuing to deny it. Still, everybody was always saying that if McGwire and some of those guys would just follow Pettite's lead and just say "I did it" and moved on, people would probably let it go more than denying it. He was smart enough to actually listen to that advice. (or not stupid enough to blow it off, depending on your perspective). Still, he lied about it when asked in a national interview fairly recently and is only coming clean (about the one test - of course he won't admit to anything else) because he's been caught.
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