A quick question about USS Intrepid

[GSchnitzer]

Yeah, this almost matches what I always assumed a pre-refit/2270s-80s Miranda would look like. The nacelles would be very close to if not identical to those of Consitution ships and the impulse engines and engineering would be where they are comparable to post-refit designs.

We'll be seeing a pre-refit Miranda-type vessel (the U.S.S. Copernicus) in the upcoming Star Trek New Voyages/Phase II episode "Blood and Fire")--written and directed by David "The Trouble with Tribbles" Gerrold.

Greg Schnitzer
Gaithersburg, Maryland

 

[cooleddie74]

Yeah, this almost matches what I always assumed a pre-refit/2270s-80s Miranda would look like. The nacelles would be very close to if not identical to those of Consitution ships and the impulse engines and engineering would be where they are comparable to post-refit designs.

We'll be seeing a pre-refit Miranda-type vessel (the U.S.S. Copernicus) in the upcoming Star Trek New Voyages/Phase II episode "Blood and Fire")--written and directed by David "The Trouble with Tribbles" Gerrold.

Greg Schnitzer
Gaithersburg, Maryland

Nice! I suppose the photon torpedo banks on the pre-refit model are also in the upper pylon structure? Perhaps one tube apiece on either side of the deflector dish?

 

[GSchnitzer]

Yeah, this almost matches what I always assumed a pre-refit/2270s-80s Miranda would look like. The nacelles would be very close to if not identical to those of Consitution ships and the impulse engines and engineering would be where they are comparable to post-refit designs.

We'll be seeing a pre-refit Miranda-type vessel (the U.S.S. Copernicus) in the upcoming Star Trek New Voyages/Phase II episode "Blood and Fire")--written and directed by David "The Trouble with Tribbles" Gerrold.

Greg Schnitzer
Gaithersburg, Maryland

Nice! I suppose the photon torpedo banks on the pre-refit model are also in the upper pylon structure? Perhaps one tube apiece on either side of the deflector dish?

Since the Copernicus won't be firing her photon torpedoes in the episode, we didn't really spend any time trying to figure out the emenatation point. (We have bigger fish to fry.) But they probably emenate from the same place as they do on the Constitution-class starships.

Greg Schnitzer
Gaithersburg, Maryland

 

[cooleddie74]

We'll be seeing a pre-refit Miranda-type vessel (the U.S.S. Copernicus) in the upcoming Star Trek New Voyages/Phase II episode "Blood and Fire")--written and directed by David "The Trouble with Tribbles" Gerrold.

Greg Schnitzer
Gaithersburg, Maryland

Nice! I suppose the photon torpedo banks on the pre-refit model are also in the upper pylon structure? Perhaps one tube apiece on either side of the deflector dish?

Since the Copernicus won't be firing her photon torpedoes in the episode, we didn't really spend any time trying to figure out the emenatation point. (We have bigger fish to fry.) But they probably emenate from the same place as they do on the Constitution-class starships.

Greg Schnitzer
Gaithersburg, Maryland

I suppose that makes sense. Maybe having torpedoes located in a dorsal strut or fin was a development that happened to Starfleet ships after TOS and 2270. Maybe all torpedo tubes were located underneath the saucer sections before then.

 

[Sector 7]

This was FASA's version of a TOS Miranda class, the Anton Class starship (the Enterprise-type refit turned her into the Reliant-Class, what we now know as Miranda-Class).

Though if you notice, it has TOS style nacelles, but the saucer appears to be a movie-style one.

The top view looks just like the Romulan Bird of Prey in Balance of Terror. I had the model as a kid.

uh... ummm... nevermind... should have read ALL the posts first... heheh.
I'm probably the only one who doesn't know, but where can I see episodes of "The New Voyages"?

 

[GSchnitzer]

The easiest way to see our episodes is to go here:

http://scifi.dragonfly.com/stp2/

There is a button down at the bottom of the episode viewing window labeled "Playlist." You can select from our handful of episodes:

0. "Come What May" (Pilot Episode) is not available here. (1 hr)

1. "In Harm's Way" with William Windom reprising his role of "Commodore Matt Decker. (1 hr)

2. "To Serve All My Days" with Walter Koenig reprising his role of Chekov (1 hr)

3. "World Enough and Time"--Hugo nominated episode with George Takei reprising his role as Sulu. (1 hr)

4. "Center Seat" a "five minute long "mini-episode." (5 mins.)

5. "To Serve All My Days: A Night in 1969"--a slightly re-edited version of "To Serve All My Days." The special effects are a bit better and it has different music. (1 hr)

6. "Blood and Fire"--Written and Directed by David Gerrold, starring Denise Crosby isn't released yet. Look for it in a month or two.
Greg Schnitzer
Gaithersburg, Maryland

 

[Red Ranger]

Yeah, this almost matches what I always assumed a pre-refit/2270s-80s Miranda would look like. The nacelles would be very close to if not identical to those of Consitution ships and the impulse engines and engineering would be where they are comparable to post-refit designs.

We'll be seeing a pre-refit Miranda-type vessel (the U.S.S. Copernicus) in the upcoming Star Trek New Voyages/Phase II episode "Blood and Fire")--written and directed by David "The Trouble with Tribbles" Gerrold.

Greg Schnitzer
Gaithersburg, Maryland

Greg: Hey, nice rendering! Has the right TOS feel. Thanks for posting! -- RR

 

[cooleddie74]

I guess to get to the stardrive/deflector section of that Miranda variant you have turbolifts that run diagonally up and down the nacelle struts.

 

[GSchnitzer]

I guess to get to the stardrive/deflector section of that Miranda variant you have turbolifts that run diagonally up and down the nacelle struts.

Either that or use a dedicated transporter channel to beam from one part of the ship to the other.

We don't really know how Starfleet solves this access problem between these two different parts of the ship. But it's the same problem that already plagues the Oberth-class science vessels (like the Grissom in The Search for Spock). If the turbolift system really is basically an elaborate system of pneumatic tubes and if turbolifts have their own gravity plates, perhaps they can indeed tip over 45 degrees and go up the pylons and passengers in the turbolift car might be none the wiser that they are "tipping."

Greg Schnitzer
Gaithersburg, Maryland

 

[cooleddie74]

Like the Oberth class ships starting in STAR TREK III. Nothing connecting the saucer section to the rest of the ship save for little areas where the warp nacelles touch/connect to the saucer, and those don't look big or wide enough to allow for turbolift tubes and access.

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

Like the Oberth class ships starting in STAR TREK III. Nothing connecting the saucer section to the rest of the ship save for little areas where the warp nacelles touch/connect to the saucer, and those don't look big or wide enough to allow for turbolift tubes and access.

They probably just use Jeffries tubes.

 

[Unicron]

I always liked the idea that the Surya and Coventry frigates were modified into the later Mirandas.

 

[cooleddie74]

It'd be kinda awkward to use and shimmy through Jefferies tubes every time one wanted to get from engineering to the bridge, wouldn't it? Kind of a bad design.

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

It'd be kinda awkward to use and shimmy through Jefferies tubes every time one wanted to get from engineering to the bridge, wouldn't it? Kind of a bad design.

Some Jeffries tubes are larger than others.

 

[cooleddie74]

It'd be kinda awkward to use and shimmy through Jefferies tubes every time one wanted to get from engineering to the bridge, wouldn't it? Kind of a bad design.

Some Jeffries tubes are larger than others.

True. But...still. Maybe there are staircases, ladders or connecting corridors that don't qualify as Jefferies tubes per se. No turbolift access because of the narrow confinement but just enough space to allow for ladders and narrow, NX-style/submarine-like corridors and passageways one can walk or climb through without having to get on hands and knees.

 

[Timo]

...those don't look big or wide enough to allow for turbolift tubes and access.

The Oberth pylons are between two and three meters thick. A cylindrar lift about 120 cm across would quite nicely fit inside, and could accommodate three people in comfort. Granted, it would have to follow a curved path - no problem for the occupants, as artificial gravity would always pull towards the lift cab floor, but a bit awkward when the lift has to twist 90 degrees at reaching the lower hull.

Timo Saloniemi

 

[cooleddie74]

I'm glad someone in here is knowledgable about Oberth-class dimensions and rough measurements.

 

[jpch]

o.O

 

[BillJ]

o.O

I'm glad you resurrected a dead thread with such an insightful post.

 

[The Dominion]

Yeah, so worth posting.