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a problem with episode 23 from the 1st season: a taste of armageddon

Re: a problem with episode 23 from the 1st season: a taste of armagedd

Note that Scotty is specifically calling them "screens" rather than shields.

Actually, when first approaching the planet, Kirk orders "defensive shields" to be raised. When entering orbit, he queries Spock, who says that "screens" are down. This protective status then allows Kirk to beam down.

Now, it would be odd for screens to be dropped without Kirk's specific command if they are the same thing as the shields that were recently raised. It would be less odd if shields were a weak defense, and screens were a stronger defense that had not yet been raised because there was no reason for such escalation. Kirk would ask about the status from Spock because the recent Eminian scans might have warranted an automatic escalation (i.e. raising of screens), and Spock then reassures Kirk that the computer has not decided to raise the screens on its own.

Either way, it seems that screens down but apparently shields up is fine for Kirk beaming down. Later on, screens up seems to be fine for Fox beaming down. So we're faced with the idea of beam-outs being possible through all the types of ship defenses mentioned in the episode, regardless of whether there are two types of defenses or just one.

Now if the Eminians were using stronger weapons, like phasers or photons, then sure, full shields would have to be employed

Yet the Eminian bombardment is the only thing in Starfleet history that has resulted in the hero ship having a diminished ability to fire phasers. Whether this is because the "screens" were less permeable than usually, or because the "screens" were sucking more energy than usually, is unclear - but what is clear is that the Eminians are a potent threat.

.. which would keep everything out (or in).

We still lack proof that starship shields or screens would keep things in.

Timo Saloniemi
 
Re: a problem with episode 23 from the 1st season: a taste of armagedd

I've always figured the screens are the gridlike patterns of superconductive material across the whole that allow energy to be disappated over a large surface area, thereby lessening damage. Shields are electromagnetic fields that emanate outwards from the ship to protect it from damaging items (meteors, torpedoes, etc.).

The real problem with the Eminian episode is their "sonic disruptor" weapons batteries that are used to fire upon a starship in high orbit above their planet.
 
Re: a problem with episode 23 from the 1st season: a taste of armagedd

I have to smile when I see "episode 23". Did fans ever really talk like that, or was that an invention of the SNL writers for the "get a life" skit? I always heard fans refer to episode names, not numbers.
 
Re: a problem with episode 23 from the 1st season: a taste of armagedd

We still lack proof that starship shields or screens would keep things in.

We lack proof of everything in the thread. :) Assuming the shields are an energy field designed to repel, a "one-way" forcefield would be quite a trick. It's like an energy wall. You can't pass through a wall from one direction and not the other. You can either pass through (via a door or knocking it down) or not.
 
Re: a problem with episode 23 from the 1st season: a taste of armagedd

The real problem with the Eminian episode is their "sonic disruptor" weapons batteries that are used to fire upon a starship in high orbit above their planet.

...To be sure, if they produce 18^12 dB (or some 10^15 dB) of sound intensity, they have every right to be capable of reaching through vacuum. That's easily a trillion times more than at the ground zero of an H-bomb explosion!

At such intensity levels, a sizeable portion of Eminiar's atmosphere would probably jump towards the Enterprise, obliterating the starship with sheer physical impact.

But of course the weapon in question may instead be creating the decibels in situ, by means that can jump across vacuum. Say, microwaves.

I have to smile when I see "episode 23". Did fans ever really talk like that, or was that an invention of the SNL writers for the "get a life" skit? I always heard fans refer to episode names, not numbers.

That's the part that struck me as unconvincing in the Futurama episode, too. Perhaps there would have been legal problems with using actual episode titles (but not with using the severed heads of the cast members)?

a "one-way" forcefield would be quite a trick

Trek features plenty of such "one-way walls", including the cloaking device.

Also, the tractor beam is a very directional thing, and the TNG Tech Manual suggests it and the shields are both based on the same trick of suspending gravitons in a subspace field. Directional artificial gravity would certainly make for a good defense against pretty much everything, and could easily be rigged to be one-way when the directionality problem is already solved. Like we see it solved in the creation of artificial gravity on starship decks.

Timo Saloniemi
 
Re: a problem with episode 23 from the 1st season: a taste of armagedd

Assuming the shields are an energy field designed to repel, a "one-way" forcefield would be quite a trick. It's like an energy wall. You can't pass through a wall from one direction and not the other. You can either pass through (via a door or knocking it down) or not.

Yeah, but they fire phasers and photons all the time while the shields are up. By the time DS9 and TNG rolled around, they were fine tuning the shields to specific frequencies to repel Borg weaponry and so on.
 
Re: a problem with episode 23 from the 1st season: a taste of armagedd

...To be sure, if they produce 18^12 dB (or some 10^15 dB) of sound intensity, they have every right to be capable of reaching through vacuum. That's easily a trillion times more than at the ground zero of an H-bomb explosion! At such intensity levels, a sizeable portion of Eminiar's atmosphere would probably jump towards the Enterprise, obliterating the starship with sheer physical impact.

Not to mention the damage to the planet's ecosystem. :)

But of course the weapon in question may instead be creating the decibels in situ, by means that can jump across vacuum. Say, microwaves.

That's probably the first reasonable explanation I've heard for it.
 
Re: a problem with episode 23 from the 1st season: a taste of armagedd

Yet the Eminian bombardment is the only thing in Starfleet history that has resulted in the hero ship having a diminished ability to fire phasers.

Perhaps full phaser output wasn't possible in "Taste of Armageddon" because the shields were using up a large portion of power. This happened also in "Return of the Archons" where the shields used up all the power so that movement wasn't possible. And to some extent in "Journey to Babel" where the Orion ship overloaded its engine to deliver more power to it's phasers than normal conditions whereas the Enterprise was not doing such. Or in "The Paradise Syndrome" where full phasers involved disengaging the warp engines so all power could be channeled to them.
 
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