A Private Little War

Discussion in 'Star Trek - The Original & Animated Series' started by Vulture, Sep 3, 2021.

  1. Vulture

    Vulture Lieutenant Junior Grade Red Shirt

    Joined:
    Aug 30, 2021
    Who else is watching A Private Little War tonight after seeing the new Lower Decks(s2e4)?

    I'm glad they didn't show the mating rituals on this episode. lol

    It's a decent episode tho. It's got Klingons. Any episode gets an extra gold star for that.
     
    Qonundrum likes this.
  2. seigezunt

    seigezunt Vice Admiral Admiral

    Joined:
    Feb 2, 2007
    Location:
    Kobayashi Saru's Fried Ganglia Shack
    I like this episode. Clearly a commentary on Vietnam, I love how the ending is ambiguous but basically says, screw this, we shouldn't be there.
     
  3. The Conscience of TNZ

    The Conscience of TNZ Rear Admiral Rear Admiral

    Joined:
    Oct 28, 2011
    Location:
    Foxhot
    Because it impacts an entire world, in many ways it's more tragic than even CITY ON THE EDGE ON FOREVER. I've never forgotten PRIVATE's ending music. By the way, Spock, if you're conscious, why are you coherently talking? Is it that hard for a Vulcan to wake up without self-abuse?
     
  4. Timo

    Timo Fleet Admiral Admiral

    Joined:
    Aug 26, 2003
    "An entire world" would call for some additional assumptions. We saw the Klingons give their side firepower, plus the ability to build more. We never saw them give them the ability to travel beyond the nearest hills, though. And the ability to do so would have been much easier to spot than muskets or machine guns!

    Is this one of those planets where the local inhabitants are not native at all, but rather the sorry descendants of an ancient starship crash, confined to a single village and the immediate surrondings? Is the total population the apparent 500 people, or are there other villages elsewhere?

    If there's more to the planet, are Klingons at work there, too? Are Feds?

    Timo Saloniemi
     
    ChallengerHK likes this.
  5. Hades Temperature Checker

    Hades Temperature Checker Fleet Admiral Admiral

    Joined:
    Apr 11, 2014
    Location:
    fireproof78
    Definitely. It has a touch of sadness that is an interesting idea of "this is completely screwed up." Tyree asking for weapons is painful as well as sad.
     
    TREK_GOD_1 and seigezunt like this.
  6. J.T.B.

    J.T.B. Rear Admiral Premium Member

    Joined:
    Jun 14, 2005
    That's not what it sounds like to me. It seems more like they're committing to open-ended support of one side of a war.
     
  7. Timo

    Timo Fleet Admiral Admiral

    Joined:
    Aug 26, 2003
    ...With their body language telling us that they really, really don't want to.

    I can't quite fathom the Federation angle here. How does it help anybody if the Federation-backed side triumphs over the Klingon-backed one? The Klingons won't leave it at that. The hill people and the villagers won't swear loyalty to their backers, and even if they did, Starfleet could react with official outrage if the Klingons actually tried to capitalize on the victory of their side. Triumph of villagers over hill people won't be superior or inferior to the reverse case. If a war keeps on going, everybody loses, including the Federation. Why not just withdraw and let Tyree's folks get a new government in a bloodless conquest?

    Giving both sides anachronistic weapons isn't going to protect the natural development of the planet. The Feds can't even confess to having done so, so it's not a means of promoting their altruist agenda to third parties.

    Timo Saloniemi
     
  8. The Conscience of TNZ

    The Conscience of TNZ Rear Admiral Rear Admiral

    Joined:
    Oct 28, 2011
    Location:
    Foxhot
    Also the camera pullback on the stunned McCoy after Tyree begins killing for the first time. Extra-impressive for a weekly TV show in my opinion.
     
    Phaser Two likes this.
  9. The Haunted Toilet

    The Haunted Toilet scotpens Premium Member

    Joined:
    Nov 29, 2009
    Location:
    The Left Coast
    M'BENGA: Don't let these low panel readings bother you. I've seen this before in Vulcans. It's their way of concentrating all their strength, blood, and antibodies onto the injured organs. A form of self-induced hypnosis.
    CHAPEL: You mean he's conscious?
    M'BENGA: Well, in a sense. He knows we're here and what we're saying, but he can't afford to take his mind from the tissue he's fighting to heal. I suppose he even knows you were holding his hand.

    So Spock was in a self-hypnotized state, and needed a few jolts of pain to shock him back to full awareness of his surroundings.

    Oh, and "self-abuse" has an entirely different meaning. ;)
     
    Last edited: Sep 3, 2021
    ChallengerHK likes this.
  10. Phaser Two

    Phaser Two Commodore Premium Member

    Joined:
    Jun 21, 2016
    Location:
    Los Angeles
    If I had to make a list of the top five "most underrated episodes of Star Trek," this one would be on there for sure (along with Errand of Mercy). It's so thought-provoking. The opening action scenes are good too, as is Kirk's battle with the Mugato. I also thought the parts of Tyree and Nona were well-drawn and well-acted.
     
  11. ThrorII

    ThrorII Lieutenant Red Shirt

    Joined:
    Dec 15, 2020
    I watched this one last week on Netflix. While not an iconic episode, I think it is a good representation of what Star Trek is all about:
    1. It has Klingons
    2. It has contemporary social commentary
    3. It has 'planet of the week' with human aliens.
     
    Vulture likes this.
  12. Spock's Barber

    Spock's Barber Commodore Commodore

    Joined:
    Oct 9, 2014
    Location:
    Standing Next To Kirk
    Nona’s orange bikini top is really funky, but WHO CARES! :biggrin:

    [​IMG]
     
  13. The Conscience of TNZ

    The Conscience of TNZ Rear Admiral Rear Admiral

    Joined:
    Oct 28, 2011
    Location:
    Foxhot
    Of course. But in the end, M/Benga might as well have told Chapel ''We can expect some self-created drama on Mr. Spock's part in Act Four as Vulcans are like that, but whatever happens do whatever the fool says.''
     
  14. The Haunted Toilet

    The Haunted Toilet scotpens Premium Member

    Joined:
    Nov 29, 2009
    Location:
    The Left Coast
    Even back in 1968, I thought the Mugato looked silly. It looked like exactly what it was -- Janos Prohaska in an accessorized albino ape suit.
     
  15. mb22

    mb22 Captain Captain

    Joined:
    May 11, 2009
  16. Cancel Culture

    Cancel Culture Fleet Admiral Admiral

    Joined:
    Feb 12, 2011
    Location:
    astral plane
    Yes, same here.
     
    J.T.B. likes this.
  17. ZapBrannigan

    ZapBrannigan Rear Admiral Rear Admiral

    Joined:
    Jan 7, 2013
    Location:
    New York State
    The way I heard it, the writer was trying to do an anti-Vietnam war episode, but Roddenberry re-wrote the thing to play it down the middle. I've always thought the finished product was a pretty enjoyable outing.
     
    ChallengerHK likes this.
  18. Doug Otte

    Doug Otte Fleet Captain Fleet Captain

    Joined:
    Jan 6, 2003
    I haven't watched this episode for a few years. I'm going to get the blu-ray now.
     
  19. Timo

    Timo Fleet Admiral Admiral

    Joined:
    Aug 26, 2003
    I'm curious - how could the thing have been more anti-war?

    What's there not to like? Location shooting, starship action, the heroes split and playing the underdog, bits of Kirk's past and references to earlier adventures. Plus a truly outrageous wild creature costume that sends the imagination reeling. (And an ape suit, too.)

    Timo Saloniemi
     
    ZapBrannigan likes this.
  20. UssGlenn

    UssGlenn Commodore Commodore

    Joined:
    Mar 5, 2003
    Location:
    New Orleans, LA
    As I recall, the episode casts the intervention as a necessary evil, and not intervening would be worse. I suppose you could write it so that intervening against the Klingons at all is the worse course of action, but I'm not sure what that story looks like.
     
    Scott Kellogg and Cancel Culture like this.