A more military Enterprise/Starfleet? (Potential spoilers)

[Hartzilla2007]

You know Starfleet more than likely dosen't know Nero is from the future so to them it would appear the Romulans have returned and are now more powerful than ever based on what the spacesquid is said to do in the movie so it would br likely that they would have a slightly more military mindset in designing their ships scince they would be worried about more Romulan attacks with more powerful ships against the Federation.

 

[Nowhere Man]

IIRC, there was an early rumor that we'd see "a version of the Enterprise in an alternate timeline" that would be more of a battleship than we're used to seeing. Rumors of that kind, though, are a game of "telephone" and it's hard to know how close they are to actual information.

My favorite example of this was the rumor that leaked out shortly after TWOK wrapped production that the plot revolved around Khan "stealing a weather-making machine" which he used to "trap the Enterprise in a cloud." That turned out to be accurate, in the very broadest of terms, while being entirely misleading.

That rumor probably came from someone who cant speak good and on't know how to splain thangs well(in my best redneck voice)

 

[Herkimer Jitty]

IIRC, there was an early rumor that we'd see "a version of the Enterprise in an alternate timeline" that would be more of a battleship than we're used to seeing. Rumors of that kind, though, are a game of "telephone" and it's hard to know how close they are to actual information.

My favorite example of this was the rumor that leaked out shortly after TWOK wrapped production that the plot revolved around Khan "stealing a weather-making machine" which he used to "trap the Enterprise in a cloud." That turned out to be accurate, in the very broadest of terms, while being entirely misleading.

That rumor probably came from someone who cant speak good and on't know how to splain thangs well(in my best redneck voice)

You makin fun of me, boy?

 

[cbspock]

Starfleet is military. One of their functions was to protect Federation interests. Some ships like the Grissom were specifically science vessels, others like Enterprise were tasked with protecting Federation interests and tasked with exploration / science missions as well. The original Enterprise in TOS could lay waste to an entire planet if it had to.

If they were going to venture into unexplored space, you may want to have the weapons needed to protect yourself against unknown hostile aliens if things take a turn for the worst.

 

[Tyberius]

...removing the classic salute...

No salute because no cover

 

[Ryan Thomas Riddle]

...removing the classic salute...

No salute because no cover

Although, in the two-hour "Encounter at Farpoint," we see several officers stand-to and nod slightly as Picard passed them in the hallways during his little walk at the beginning of the episode.

 

[jchen012]

It's better to have a heavily armored and weaponized spaceship and not need it rather than not having a heavily armored and weaponized spaceship and needing it.

Which is why I carry a firearm legally everywhere I can (a little off topic)...

 

[Tibbetts]

Yet there'd be no point in going to space in the first place if one ditched all the payload in favor of defensive personnel and equipment. If self-defense were the point of all this, then the best defense would be to stay at home.

Timo Saloniemi

Actually, the best defense is always a good offense. Otherwise, the other guy will just walk all over you because you're hiding.

I've always liked the military aspect of Star Trek. That and the exploration aspect drew me to the re-runs I saw back in the -80's.


-Tibbetts

 

[M'Sharak]

It's better to have a heavily armored and weaponized spaceship and not need it rather than not having a heavily armored and weaponized spaceship and needing it.

Which is why I carry a firearm legally everywhere I can (a little off topic)...

More than a little. There are forums appropriate for discussion of that topic, but this is not one of them, thank you.

 

[FordSVT]

Hell, when Picard decides to disobey orders and go after the Borg in First Contact the first thing that should have gone through his head is "where do I ditch all the civilians onboard?"

I don't think Sovereign class ships have a family compliment like Galaxies do/did.

 

[BenRoethig]

Hell, when Picard decides to disobey orders and go after the Borg in First Contact the first thing that should have gone through his head is "where do I ditch all the civilians onboard?"

No civilian families on the Enterprise-E. One of the reasons its smaller than the Enterprise-D.

 

[Lyon_Wonder]

Hell, when Picard decides to disobey orders and go after the Borg in First Contact the first thing that should have gone through his head is "where do I ditch all the civilians onboard?"

No civilian families on the Enterprise-E. One of the reasons its smaller than the Enterprise-D.

I think starfleet learned it's lessons with the Galaxy class. With the Borg and later Dominion threat, it didn't make much since to have a bunch of civilians on board. Galaxies post-GEN and during the war likely had no or very, very few civilians.

 

[Deks]

No civilian families on the Enterprise-E. One of the reasons its smaller than the Enterprise-D.

Incorrect.
The reason the Ent-E is smaller is likely because new technologies allowed for the Sovereign class to be more compact while packing much more firepower compared to a Galaxy class.
It's a new design which is perfectly suitable for deep-space exploration.
Having said this, I don't think the Enterprise-E would ditch civilians/families.

If SF 'learned it's lesson with the ENT-D' then it should have learned it's lesson centuries earlier ...
To my knowledge, civilians and families were present in ships that came prior to the Enterprise-D in times when wars were fought and long exploratory assignments were handed out.
It would be likelier that the civilian personnel that cannot contribute to star-ship operations would be unloaded at the nearest star-base/planet in times of prolonged conflicts and/or wars.

For exploratory purposes (long missions) ... SF made a decision allowing their personnel to bring families on-board if the ship is big enough to accommodate them (the Sovereign class IS large enough).

This would hardly change after the Dominion War and conflicts with the Borg since the Feds had similar skirmishes and wars in the past with their neighbors.

 

[EnsignRicky]

Of course, I haven't seen the movie, but I tend to think the improvements in weapons and such have more to do with interference from Ambassador Spock than from Nero.

I don't think Spock would do something like that. He wouldn't want to risk altering the timeline to that degree - his mission is to *restore* history, not cause it to diverge even more. If Starfleet ship design is any different, it's not likely to be due to direct intervention by Spock. If word gets out that the Romulans were responsible for the destruction of the Kelvin, then Starfleet could intentionally ramp up its ship production and make their ships stronger, but it wouldn't be Spock personally directing that effort.

Agreed. This is Spock were talking about here, not Janeway.

 

[FordSVT]

No civilian families on the Enterprise-E. One of the reasons its smaller than the Enterprise-D.

Incorrect.
The reason the Ent-E is smaller is likely because new technologies allowed for the Sovereign class to be more compact while packing much more firepower compared to a Galaxy class.
It's a new design which is perfectly suitable for deep-space exploration.
Having said this, I don't think the Enterprise-E would ditch civilians/families.

If SF 'learned it's lesson with the ENT-D' then it should have learned it's lesson centuries earlier ...
To my knowledge, civilians and families were present in ships that came prior to the Enterprise-D in times when wars were fought and long exploratory assignments were handed out.
It would be likelier that the civilian personnel that cannot contribute to star-ship operations would be unloaded at the nearest star-base/planet in times of prolonged conflicts and/or wars.

For exploratory purposes (long missions) ... SF made a decision allowing their personnel to bring families on-board if the ship is big enough to accommodate them (the Sovereign class IS large enough).

This would hardly change after the Dominion War and conflicts with the Borg since the Feds had similar skirmishes and wars in the past with their neighbors.

You're entitled to your opinion, but it flies in the face of what has been shown in the movies and in the books and has been spoken by TPTB. The E has no families on board.

 

[Deks]

'FordSVT'
You on the other hand are forgetting that movies never explicitly mention absence of civilians and families on star-ships after the Borg conflicts/ Dominion War (at least, I don't recall any movies that state so), and novels (as good as they are) aren't considered part of official Trek canon (personal fan perspective/canon on this subject is irrelevant because fans don't create Trek tv shows and movies).
Novels are great on expanding on what 'might' happen in between/after shows and movies of course (and are a great read), but again, they aren't officially recognized as part of canon.
So as far as official sources are concerned, we have no evidence to support the claim that civilians and families don't exist on star-ships in post Borg/Dominion war times.