A matter of Color.

[Mres_was_framed!]

Then the next question would be, why would one be worn instead of the other?

I supposed that it is because the B Uniform and Dress Uniform are worn on different occasions. In "The Cage", only three people on the ship had the Command Color (What I called Color 1) Uniform. Even though in TOS there were many people wearing the Command Color, only Kirk had the (actually) green wraparound. I would suppose that Spock could have worn a green wraparound (also called a B uniform) in TOS, but he did not because he chose to wear science blue. This is supported by the fact that Kirk, Uhura, Sulu, Chekov and Chapel all have short-sleeved B uniforms in TMP. Maybe in TOS none of them were be high-ranked enough to be allowed to have the B uniform.

I'm editing to add the fact that the TMP uniforms actually did have a slightly different color for the B uniforms, suggesting that the slight variations in the TOS uniforms were okay by Star Fleet regulations.

 

[CorporalCaptain]

Ah, thanks, I see the point. Then the next question would be, why would one be worn instead of the other? In the case of the army green or khaki example it was weather-related and everyone would be wearing the same on any given day.

Yeah, I've got no answer for that!

 

[Qonundrum]

Aw man! Trek was supposed to be RGB primary color scheme instead of pigment RYB?

But imagine a CMYK uniform scheme...

 

[PCz911]

Wow, what a thread. When I started in advertising, we shot on film. And grey interiors (to the naked eye) came out in a multitude of purple hues on film, due to all the aforementioned issues. So we had to do a lot of color correction. With a tv show,you correct for the talent, and the wardrobe takes second place. In advertising you correct for the product

Now we can easily adjust. But our color and trim group still has speacial lights for product viewing so we view all view it in "correct" lighting environments for review.

 

[FormerLurker]

Aw man! Trek was supposed to be RGB primary color scheme instead of pigment RYB?

But imagine a CMYK uniform scheme...

They were all wearing black pants...

 

[Longinus]

The question that's specific to TOS was, which one of these images is more true:

http://tos.trekcore.com/gallery/albums/1x10/corbomitemanuever060.jpg

http://tos.trekcore.com/hd/albums/1x10hd/thecorbomitemaneuverhd101.jpg

I don't know, but neither of these is green. They're both gold, the first one just is a bit more orange gold.

 

[Mres_was_framed!]

I don't know, but neither of these is green. They're both gold, the first one just is a bit more orange gold.

I could call the Command shirt "green," though that shot does not look all that green.

Let's try a new way to resolve this question:

Can we agree that the TOS Command Color, no matter how green it is, could be called "gold," but also agree that it is NOT (true) YELLOW and NOT (true) ORANGE? Thoughts?

 

[ZapBrannigan]

I don't know, but neither of these is green. They're both gold, the first one just is a bit more orange gold.

I have a slight red-green deficiency, due to a pockmark on my Y-chromosome. But if you A/B those two, I think the Blu-ray cap is closer to green.

 

[Longinus]

I have a slight red-green deficiency, due to a pockmark on my Y-chromosome. But if you A/B those two, I think the Blu-ray cap is closer to green.

Sure, it is closer by not being blatantly orange, but it is still nowhere near green. It's somewhat desaturated yellow.

 

[Longinus]

Can we agree that the TOS Command Color, no matter how green it is, could be called "gold," but also agree that it is NOT (true) YELLOW and NOT (true) ORANGE? Thoughts?

It is pretty clearly some sort of yellow.

 

[The Old Mixer]

Can we agree

We can agree to stop you right there!

 

[plynch]

Toggling them, yes, the remastered is a little greener yellow as seen on my kindle. When it comes to this, there is no objective truth, as all color depends on the lighting the object is under. Then filmstock. Then the device by which you're viewing. I appreciate the professional's actual, yknow knowledge on the subject. Skin tones are truer in the remastered. Actors look sunburned in the dvd shot. The dvd is sure lighter, too with more ceiling details visible. I've heard the darkening of the remastreds was to recover either original intent or original appearance on network. Anyone actually know this?

 

[Mres_was_framed!]

Toggling them, yes, the remastered is a little greener yellow as seen on my kindle. When it comes to this, there is no objective truth, as all color depends on the lighting the object is under. Then filmstock. Then the device by which you're viewing. I appreciate the professional's actual, yknow knowledge on the subject. Skin tones are truer in the remastered. Actors look sunburned in the dvd shot. The dvd is sure lighter, too with more ceiling details visible. I've heard the darkening of the remastreds was to recover either original intent or original appearance on network. Anyone actually know this?

I don't know about intent, but they look more like the tapes from before the DVD remastering.

I have heard that the blu-ray offers the option to see a version with a transfer from film with no processing. This might be very revealing. Does anyone have screenshots from the blu-ray transfer version instead of the extensive remastering? Sure the color will look more washed-out due to lack of adding saturation for digital, but it might give a good look at the hue.

While typing, I realized that on Trekcore, one episode already was this way, the alternate pilot version of "Where No Man Has Gone Before." Kirk's shirt is clearly greener than Mitchel's on this page. And it is the color of Kirk's shirt that went on to be the Command Color in TOS, not Mitchell's.

http://tos.trekcore.com/hd/thumbnails.php?album=89&page=37

 

[plynch]

Those be like Gold Key Comics green! Quite a find.

http://tos.trekcore.com/hd/albums/1x03hd-alt/wherenomanhasgonebeforehdalt1110.jpg
http://tos.trekcore.com/hd/albums/1x03hd-alt/wherenomanhasgonebeforehdalt0044.jpg

 

[Henoch]

While typing, I realized that on Trekcore, one episode already was this way, the alternate pilot version of "Where No Man Has Gone Before." Kirk's shirt is clearly greener than Mitchel's on this page. And it is the color of Kirk's shirt that went on to be the Command Color in TOS, not Mitchell's.

Wait a minute. You mean Gary Mitchell is a RED shirt (equivalent)?
http://tos.trekcore.com/hd/albums/1x03hd-alt/wherenomanhasgonebeforehdalt1418.jpg

 

[ZapBrannigan]

Toggle these images:

http://tos.trekcore.com/gallery/albums/1x03/wherenomanhasgone022.jpg

http://tos.trekcore.com/hd/albums/1x03hd/wherenomanhasgonebeforehd018.jpg

Before the TOS-R color tinkering came along, I never even noticed that Kirk and Spock wore one color while Scotty and Mitchell wore another. On my TV sets and with my eyes, it was more like a difference in lighting that you'd entirely ignore. Now the green vs. salmon is so pronounced, you can't miss it.

 

[Mres_was_framed!]

Those be like Gold Key Comics green! Quite a find.

Thank you.

Before the TOS-R color tinkering came along, I never even noticed that Kirk and Spock wore one color while Scotty and Mitchell wore another

In my understanding the screencaps I gave have no tampering and are merely transfers from film. This is not the regular remastered episode but a film transfer of an alternate verson of the pilot, as I understand it. I did not notice much of color difference on my older TV, on the regular version DVD, but it looks very obvious in this transfer.

Wait a minute. You mean Gary Mitchell is a RED shirt (equivalent)?
http://tos.trekcore.com/hd/albums/1x03hd-alt/wherenomanhasgonebeforehdalt1418.jpg

I'm not sure we should call it a red shirt equivalent. Mitchel wears the same color that extras in stock footage wear in TOS, that Uhura, Sulu and Chekov wear in TMP, that Scotty wears from TWOK onward, and that B'Elanna, et. all wear in the TNG era. In my mind this is the Ships Services color for most of Star Trek's history and that is why I divided red out into Support for TOS. In TOS, red is used by most officers instead, but if red did not roll out to all officers until the TMP uniform brought Mitchell's color back, there must be some difference between the two, at least in status.

 

[plynch]

He's a red shirt.

Somebody check the photonovel of wnmhgb. The colors are discernable there iirc.

 

[CorporalCaptain]

I've always perceived a color difference between the gold and pink shirts in WNMHGB. It was there on NTSC in the 1970s, but it was a very subtle difference, and right at the threshold of not being noticeable at all.

 

[Mres_was_framed!]

I've always perceived a color difference between the gold and pink shirts in WNMHGB. It was there on NTSC in the 1970s, but it was a very subtle difference, and right at the threshold of not being noticeable at all.

"Gold" and "Pink" (Shows there are two different colors, does not conflict with how the green shirts look gold in the DVD release.) Can we go with that? Who here writes for Memory Alpha?