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Spoilers A long time mystery from ENT might have finally been solved in Discovery
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Uh...am I missing something here? As you acknowledge yourself, it's not against the rules. You don't agree with the OP, and disagreement is fine too, this is a discussion board. But your disagreement need not be so disagreeable. It's not really moving the discussion forward.
Chill, okay? 'Tis the season.
I was pointing out that he posted the same thing in multiple forums, which I didn’t believe was necessary. But fine, I’ll cease and desist.
I would tend to agree. My feeling would be that the line was just intended to sound enigmatic, with no follow up in mind.
My own 'explanation' has always been that these people have been in possession of a (gradually perfected) time travel technology for centuries and that this has thoroughly transformed their perspective, and the concepts they think in. Much like discovering warp drive and meeting species that were more advanced than themselves would force a species that until then believed it was the center of the universe into a different perspective. For these people the 'past' isn't a given, the 'present' might be highly fluid, and concepts such as 'human' or 'earth' still have a meaning, just not the static one we are used to. For example, for us 'earth' means our earth - to them it might mean the aggregate of ' earth's of the most probable timelines superimposed on a probability distribution, or some such thing.
One thing crystal clear about ENT's temporal war, they had no clue what they were doing. Making it up as they went along. They didn't even know who Future Guy was supposed to be.
That's why i think, using this theory would be a great way to give this dialogue a concrete meaning.
More evidence Daniels can’t be from the Kelvin timeline: He states that the Xindi attack on Earth wasn’t supposed to happen (according to the timeline he came from), and yet in ST: Beyond, Edison speaks of the Xindi wars. In Daniel’s universe, Earth/the Federation and the Xindi were never at war with each other, and the Xindi joined the Federation and helped defeat the Sphere Builders in the 26th century.
Eastern hemisphere
So are a lot of Western Nations...
The term Western Nation is not strictly geographic, but has cultural and (especially) economic meanings.
And France defenitely is a Western Nation. As are Australia and New Zealand and those are about as far east as you can be without being Japan.
Hence the tongue
With a 0 degree prime meridian, New Zealand is about as East as you get - mainland going to 178E, and the Chatham Islands are beyond 180. Fiji is pretty much the only country that could be really described as more eastern geographically (clearly parts of Russia and America are, and places like Kiribati are spread across wide range of longitude), but then the 180th meridian is an arbitrary position anyway. Argument for NZ being most southern as well as it's the most southern capital, and the most southern northerly point
With a 0 degree prime meridian, New Zealand is about as East as you get - mainland going to 178E, and the Chatham Islands are beyond 180. Fiji is pretty much the only country that could be really described as more eastern geographically (clearly parts of Russia and America are, and places like Kiribati are spread across wide range of longitude), but then the 180th meridian is an arbitrary position anyway. Argument for NZ being most southern as well as it's the most southern capital, and the most southern northerly point
Not necessarily. The events with the Xindi might (have been) have changed for the Kelvinverse too, because of the Temporal Wars.
Remember Prime and Kelvinverse were one, until the destruction of the USS Kelvin in the 23nd century
I knew I should have checked a map first. But my point stands, a "Western Nation" can be anywhere on the map, not just in "the western hemisphere"
Not to note that its all schematics and convention anyways. Anywhere is west of somewhere. If you wanna go to East Asia from the US you gotta go west.
Not necessarily. The events with the Xindi might (have been) have changed for the Kelvinverse too, because of the Temporal Wars.
Remember Prime and Kelvinverse were one, until the destruction of the USS Kelvin in the 23nd century
But Daniels, being a Temporal Agent, would have known this. The fact that he says that the Xindi attack didn’t happen in the timeline he was from, and that after the attack he didn’t just disappear because his timeline changed, implies that either he didn’t come from the Kelvin universe or he had the ability to remain outside of any changes in the timeline. Either way, it’s more evidence he’s from a different timeline from either the prime or the Kelvin one.
I always assumed that when the Daniels character said "I'm from a place called Illinois, just not the Illinois you're familiar with," the writers meant he's from a colony named Illinois that's not on Earth. As for "That depends what you mean by Earth," I assumed the writers just wanted our imaginations to go wild. Where my imagination went was that something shattered the planet, and people were able to use technology to rescue many of the people on Earth, and make many of the fragments livable again.