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A Hater Revisits nuWho

So, after saying he'll come to get her, the Doctor hops in his Tardis to go and get her. Which makes me wonder why whoever took them from the Tardis (presumably the Controller, on behalf of the Daleks) would just leave it there.

Were you paying no attention to the episode at all? "Bad Wolf" made it very clear that the Controller brought the Doctor and the TARDIS to the Game Station without the Daleks' knowledge in order to fight the Daleks. The only way she was able to do that was by teleporting the TARDIS crew into the games themselves, because the games were always transmatting people into them and out of them; transmat to other sections of the station apparently would have been detected.
 
Oh course. You're quite right, that bit makes sense to me now. Where she was saying she'd brought about their destruction...yeah. Goodness knows what I was on then. I stand corrected on that bit.
 
Also, I haven't seen this episode since 2005 so correct me if I'm wrong but doesn't Rose also resurrect all the victims of the Daleks' bombing when she brings Jack etc back to life?
 
Also, I haven't seen this episode since 2005 so correct me if I'm wrong but doesn't Rose also resurrect all the victims of the Daleks' bombing when she brings Jack etc back to life?

I think its indicated but never confirmed.
 
Also, I haven't seen this episode since 2005 so correct me if I'm wrong but doesn't Rose also resurrect all the victims of the Daleks' bombing when she brings Jack etc back to life?

I think its indicated but never confirmed.
Which raises an interesting question: if she resurrected them, do they exist like Jack does now?

It seems unlikely. If only because, well, the existence of billions upon billions of immortal Humans seems like it'd be a bit too major of an alteration in the timeline for the Doctor to let stand.

Assuming that giant bats didn't appear to eat everyone like they did the last time something altered a point in the timeline that wasn't supposed to be altered. ;)
 
Being that Jack is from the 51st century, perhaps his biology is different enough from that of the people of 200,100 that Bad Wolf bringing him back to life worked differently on him than everyone else?
 
Also, I haven't seen this episode since 2005 so correct me if I'm wrong but doesn't Rose also resurrect all the victims of the Daleks' bombing when she brings Jack etc back to life?

I think its indicated but never confirmed.
I didn't get any impression like that at all. And it wouldn't have been hard to have a shot of the people on Floor 0 getting up again, or maybe some time vortex going over the Earth and turning it blue again. And as it did make Jack immortal, it seems all the more likely to me that it didn't affect anyone else.

Indeed, if we're going to have a lazy, all-powerful solution, it's pretty much the one thing I'd most want put right.

Anyway, I'll edit the review in a minute to put right my wrongness on the Controller bit. Can't believe I missed that. I'll, err, blame it on post-exam misery. That said, try getting anyone to explain exactly what was going on in TEOT...
 
The more I think about it maybe Jack was the only one brought back due to the side effects of the whole experience being fixed in time and all that.
 
Right, here's my attempt to sum Series 1 up.



Doctor Who Series 1 (2005)

Not sure there's really a right or wrong way to assess things, so first of all, let's look at the lead characters:

The Doctor - When I started this, the Ninth Doctor was definitely my least favourite, and I actively disliked him. Now though? Well, he's probably still low down on my list, but I've warmed to him somewhat. Had Eccleston stayed on, I probably could have grown to like him, and he'd have grown into the part more. But he was also quite inconsistently written. Russell T Davies seemed to approach the character from the point of view that we should automatically love him because he's the Doctor, and ultimately did a lot to make him less likeable, what with his calling humans "blundering apes" and calling Mickey "Ricky". None of this was expecially funny. But at the same time, he had moments where he was easy to like, such as for much of the Empty Child/The Doctor Dances two-parter. As for Eccleston's acting, he was alright. If nothing else, you can say this Doctor was certainly as distinctive as any of the others.

Rose - A character who'd seem to not have much going for her. But then, if you were creating a new companion for the Doctor, what would you have? Perhaps after all the people he's had travel with him over the years, a pretty girl who's a bit thick is the obvious next place to go. Or maybe it's purely to draw a noughties audience in. Either way, there's also the implication that we should automatically like her, which seemed to result in it seeming like the Doctor fancied her (because if he likes her, so should we). I will say that Billie Piper's acting was mostly great, and considering before this she wasn't known as an actress at all, this is very much to her credit. But Rose herself? A below average idiot.

Jack - It's only now that one can realise he truly was a main character. Well, he's brash, obvious, talks in innuendos and cheap flirting, and is impossible to like. As I said, I'd have kept him dead. As for Barrowman's performance? Well, from what else I've seen of him, he seemed to be playing himself.

Jackie, Mickey, Adam - Jackie's largely irritating and seems to exist just to be the whinging mother. Mickey's mistreated for most of the time and perhaps not that engaging, but I kind of like him. Adam's definitely mistreated, and though we're meant to think he somehow deserves ending up with a hole in his head, he doesn't and he exists just to carry on the Doctor/Rose love story.


So, a quick review of each episode:

Rose (*½) - An intro episode that could easily have you believing this was a complete reboot. Lots of unfunny humour.
The End of the World (**½) - Very much sums up the series as a whole. On the one hand fairly well-paced, and perhaps mindlessly fun, but on the other hand full of stupid things. Very good showing for the special effects department though, perhaps leading me to be kinder than it deserves.
The Unquiet Dead (****) - My favourite episode of the series. It's fun, evokes an atmosphere of the time it's set, and actually makes sense. It's not perfect or epic, but it's a good episode of television.
Aliens of London(*½) - Has a great shot of a ship ploughing into Big Ben. After that, it's a sequence of stupid things with perhaps the worst monsters in the history of the show.
World War Three (0) - Actually manages to be worst than the first part, becoming offensively bad/stupid.
Dalek (****) - A story with flaws, but forgiveable when it also gives us one of the greatest TV enemies of all time being as cool as it ever has. Also emotionally involving.
The Long Game (**) - Below average. If a less leaky plot than most RTD stories, it's also not that interesting, and the treatment of the Adam character leaves a nasty taste.
Father's Day (***) - Nonsense sci-fi, but oddly engaging dramatic elements, considering they're not characters I'm inclined to care about.
The Empty Child (***) - On the one hand evocative of wartime and well made, but on the other hand slightly underwhelming with knowing humour. Also gave us Captain Jack, which is unforgiveable.
The Doctor Dances (***½) - A satisfying enough conclusion, but an awful lot of inappropriate sexual references for a family show, and tantalises us with the prospect of Jack dying only to have Jack not die. Still quite good.
Boom Town (½) - Boring nonsense with a weak false moral dilemma followed by a complete copout.
Bad Wolf (**½) - Starts with a parody of 2005 TV, and not much else happens. Quick enough to disguise this, but also contains the expected amount of stupid things from an RTD script, and keeps us waiting for the Daleks. Also managed to make me miss an important plot point. Though that's probably my fault.
The Parting of the Ways (**) - Some good scenes, but ultimately too much stupidity, not enough spectacle/Dalek porn. Ends in an unforgivable copout. (click here for Part II of that review)


So, to rank the stories, counting two-parters as one story and giving them a mark as a whole:

1. The Unquiet Dead (****)
2. Dalek (****)
3. The Empty Child/The Doctor Dances (***½)
4. Father's Day (***)

And here's where I draw the line of what's worth watching.

5. Bad Wolf/The Parting of the Ways (**½)
6. The End of the World (**½)
7. The Long Game (**)
8. Rose (*½)
9. Aliens of London/World War Three (½)
10. Boom Town (½)


But let's not forget the real star of the show. He's in every episode, and has been perhaps the most intelligent and useful character of all. So let's take a moment to remember the contribution made by the sonic screwdriver.

Extraordinary screwdriver:
1. Stops plastic arm from receiving signal.
2. Disengages computerised lock on door.
3. Seems to be the only tool you need while fixing a time machine.
4. Even opens conventional doors.
5. Helps "patch in the radar [and] link it back 12 hours so it can follow the flight of that spaceship". You mean your screwdriver can't?
6. Helps steal money from a cash machine in the year 200,000. Maybe they should have kept chip and pin.
7. Helps open shackles in the year 200,000. For when you're not lucky enough to have them just fall off.
8. Opens a padlock. It's a different lock, so it goes on the list.
9. Manages to be a medical tricorder, with a readout only the Doctor can see. Streuth.
10. Undoes handcuffs.
11. Reattaches cut barbed wire. Sonic welder?
12. Reverses a teleport that has already teleported. Makes serfect pense.
13. Blows up a camera. Saves you having to detag on Facebook later
14. It can be your eyes even if you don't need more eyes.
15. Can remotely send away your time machine to never come back. So always remember to lock your screwdriver before you put it in your pocket.
 
Well, I'm enjoying them.

Okay, so Bones' hyper-critical summary style is not for all (especially those who feel RTD can do no wrong) but he makes some salient points.

One advantage to basically summarising the whole episode is it reminds one of the mundane (but often nonsensical) stuff that we have usually forgotten about by episode's end.

I do think that Bones has done himself a bit of a dis-service by describing himself as a 'hater' - I don't think he is really. More just someone who, like myself, has fond memories of the old show but who is often unimpressed by the new show (and want it to get better).
 
I do think that Bones has done himself a bit of a dis-service by describing himself as a 'hater' - I don't think he is really. More just someone who, like myself, has fond memories of the old show but who is often unimpressed by the new show (and want it to get better).
Yeah, you're exactly right there. Hater's quite a strong word, but then I see something like the Slitheen episodes and...well, suddenly hate seems weak. But I have found things to like, and a glance at future series means Series 1 may just be quite weak comparatively.

Anyway, next up is The Christmas Invasion, so that'll be up soon.
 
I'm kinda curious... Have you watched Torchwood, USS Bones? I'm just wondering if judgment of Jack is based solely on DW or if you've seen much or all of TW (especially Children of Earth, which I just finished watching for the first time last night, and OMG was I an emotional wreck by the end of Day Five!).
 
I would be interested how Bones whould find Torchwood because hes made several comments how he finds more of the adult stuff odd for a family show (something around those comments). Torchwood is much darker and not for kids and season 1 was a mess by the end...

However season 2/3 were brilliant :techman:
 
I've seen bits and pieces of Torchwood, and all of Children of Earth. That was ok, but it didn't blow me away. I remember thinking it was like they started with the ending they wanted (Jack killing his grandson) and wrote the story around that. In the end, it was quite flawed. I like the idea of the 456 using to children for drugs, but then are we to believe there's something in children they can't replicate? And it could have been 2 hours shorter as well. I think I wrote up a more detailed analysis in another topic somewhere (though nowhere near the level of one of these reviews). But in the end, would I recommend it to someone? Probably not.
 
"Children of Earth" is as great as Torchwood has so-far got, with the screenplay itself the best that RTD has done in the last 18 months. Bones, if you're not hugely impressed with RTD's output with Season One, then I wouldn't hold your breath for any genuine change with his output from Season Two up to the '09 "specials".

Anyhoo, I don't have as big an axe to grind with Russell's writing as some people online do, as flawed as it is by being more fantasy than sci-fi based. I thought "The End of the World" and "Boomtown" were two of RTD's better episodes from S1, while "Bad Wolf/The Parting of the Ways" was generally seen as a big enough critical and ratings success for RTD to trot out season finales' that are bigger than the last (trying to outdo himself like with summer blockbusters). Rusty can write decent, dark stories like "Midnight" and "The Children of Earth", and while he can pen campy episodes like "The Aliens of London/World War Three" and "The Stolen Earth/Journey's End", at his worst RTD is a fun fanzine hack.
 
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