A Hater Revisits nuWho

[Captain Pike]

Poorly written?

YMMV, but I find large chunks of old Who to be very well written and better than the new show..

And the pacing of the new series is often way to fast with too little exposition - everything is crammed into the 45 minute format.

In fact most of the time the new show is just a pale imitation, imho.

 

[Starkers]

At times the old show was poor, but too often the slower pace, need to stretch stories out and lack of budget disguised really clever, thoughtful and big ideas.

Meanwhile the new show is brilliant, but sometimes fast edits, big budgets and loud music disguise the fact that it isn't actually as sophisticated as some people seem to think it is.

There are exceptionally good and bad episodes in both. At times classic Who is painfully slow, but by the same token the modern variety often doesn't allow a story to breathe, its only in the two parters that really tension is allowed to build.

Bascially I like them both but for very different reasons.

 

[Lindley]

We then get history 101 of the chameleon circuit. Though not as I remember it, because I seem to recall the reason the Tardis looks only like a police box is because it's broken, not just because a police box blends in anywhere.

Apparently you didn't hear it right, because the Doctor said exactly that.

 

[The Nth Doctor]

At times the old show was poor, but too often the slower pace, need to stretch stories out and lack of budget disguised really clever, thoughtful and big ideas.

Meanwhile the new show is brilliant, but sometimes fast edits, big budgets and loud music disguise the fact that it isn't actually as sophisticated as some people seem to think it is.

There are exceptionally good and bad episodes in both. At times classic Who is painfully slow, but by the same token the modern variety often doesn't allow a story to breathe, its only in the two parters that really tension is allowed to build.

Bascially I like them both but for very different reasons.

Quoted for the god damned truth, especially in regards to pacing for both. Yes, some of the classic series serials suffer from padding issues (although I think its second longest, The War Games, doesn't have that problem for the most part), but by the same token, some of the new series episodes rush through the story so damn quickly that it's hard for it to sink in. As result, most of my favorite new series stories are the two-parters because they have more breathing room.

 

[Brutal Strudel]

At times the old show was poor, but too often the slower pace, need to stretch stories out and lack of budget disguised really clever, thoughtful and big ideas.

Meanwhile the new show is brilliant, but sometimes fast edits, big budgets and loud music disguise the fact that it isn't actually as sophisticated as some people seem to think it is.

There are exceptionally good and bad episodes in both. At times classic Who is painfully slow, but by the same token the modern variety often doesn't allow a story to breathe, its only in the two parters that really tension is allowed to build.

Bascially I like them both but for very different reasons.

Fair enough--I'm fond enough of the old show not to wish to piss in anyone's corn flakes. Besides, I still have to change my underwear every time something from the old show is re-introduced or referenced, what with the nerdgasms and all.

 

[Bones2]

We then get history 101 of the chameleon circuit. Though not as I remember it, because I seem to recall the reason the Tardis looks only like a police box is because it's broken, not just because a police box blends in anywhere.

Apparently you didn't hear it right, because the Doctor said exactly that.

I'm fairly sure that he never says the circuit is broken, only that it's why the Tardis looks like a police box. He then goes on to say that's because a blue police box blends in anywhere. But yeah, I could also be wrong.

At times the old show was poor, but too often the slower pace, need to stretch stories out and lack of budget disguised really clever, thoughtful and big ideas.

Meanwhile the new show is brilliant, but sometimes fast edits, big budgets and loud music disguise the fact that it isn't actually as sophisticated as some people seem to think it is.

There are exceptionally good and bad episodes in both. At times classic Who is painfully slow, but by the same token the modern variety often doesn't allow a story to breathe, its only in the two parters that really tension is allowed to build.

Bascially I like them both but for very different reasons.

Fair enough--I'm fond enough of the old show not to wish to piss in anyone's corn flakes. Besides, I still have to change my underwear every time something from the old show is re-introduced or referenced, what with the nerdgasms and all.

I know what you mean. I still get shivers when old show things get mentioned. I must be a fan really.

 

[DWF]

We then get history 101 of the chameleon circuit. Though not as I remember it, because I seem to recall the reason the Tardis looks only like a police box is because it's broken, not just because a police box blends in anywhere.

Apparently you didn't hear it right, because the Doctor said exactly that.

I'm fairly sure that he never says the circuit is broken, only that it's why the Tardis looks like a police box. He then goes on to say that's because a blue police box blends in anywhere. But yeah, I could also be wrong.

Actually Susan mentions it in the very second ep. but it's not until Logopolis that the Dcotor said it was broken in Totter's Lane.

 

[Bones2]

I meant that's not the story given in Boom Town. There he says that the Tardis looks like a police box because of the chameleon circuit, but he doesn't say it's broken and it's stuck like that; rather, he says that a police box blends in everywhere. That's how I recall it at least. I would check it, but...well that would mean watching Boom Town.

 

[Lindley]

Hmm, surprisingly enough the exchange is not on wikiquote.....

Fortunately, I have no particular aversion to double-checking my DVDs.

Mickey: "The TARDIS, you can't just leave it. Doesn't it get noticed?"
Jack: "Yeah, what's with the police box, why does it look like that?"
Rose: "It's a cloaking device."
Doctor: "It's called a chameleon circuit. The TARDIS is meant to disguise itself wherever it lands, like if this was ancient Rome it'd be a statue or something. But I landed in the 1960s, it disguised itself as a police box, and the circuit got stuck."
Mickey: "So it copied the real thing, there actually was police boxes?"
Doctor: "Yeah, on street corners. Phone for help before they had radios and mobiles. If they arrested somebody, they could shove 'em inside 'till help came. Like a little prison cell."
Jack: "Why don't you just fix the circuit?"
Doctor: "I like it, don't you?"
Rose: "I love it."
Mickey: "But that's what I meant. There's no police boxes anymore, so doesn't it get noticed?"
Doctor: "Rickey, let me tell you something about the human race. You put a mysterious blue box slap-bang in the middle of town, what do they do? Walk past it. Now stop your nagging, let's go and explore!"

 

[Brutal Strudel]

Awesome!

 

[The Castellan]

Bones, do yourself a favor and help the thread by not being so snide on such a sensitive and important topic.

Where was I?

Right, one more time for clarity.

I object to the gratuitous use of any sexual references in a kid's show. Same goes for homosexual references, especially when they're there just for the sake of having something gay in there. It's hardly some blow for equality.

As for the character of Jack, I object to him because he's actually a bit of a vulgar stereotype (that and he's annoying). A true representation of gay people would be to have them just like everyone else, but of a different sexual persuasion. Jack, instead, is predatory and promiscuous, and talks in cheap innuendo and flirt. He's an obnoxious stereotype of a gay man.

All this is just my opinion of course, but I'd rather not be attacked just for having it.

Well, Doctor Who has not really been a kids show since the early 1970's. Plus the fact that homosexuality is not something kids really get offiended by, since at young ages, they are often more accpeting of things.

Besides, 99% of of kids, me having been one of them, talk about that sort of stuff all the time.

And I love Captain Jack.
1: He's a bad ass
2: He'll actually waste a villian if the Doc does not...he did offer to sneak behind the Master and break his neck for him.
3: Jack's not gay, he's more omnisexual....going after whomever gets his attention. He did put the moves on a girl who was, for all intensive purposes, an insect.
4: And it's cool to see a hero type guy not be a softey. Because I'm just about tired of the Doc saying, "I'm so sorry!" when someone's dead.
5: Barrowman's hot.

 

[selina]

3: Jack's not gay, he's more omnisexual....going after whomever gets his attention. He did put the moves on a girl who was, for all intensive purposes, an insect.

5: Barrowman's hot.

My thoughts exactly.

And I think it's fun that he is kind of omnisexual. Besides, the "Doctor Who"-DVDs are rated "12" and I don't think a sexual reference, homosexual or not, will really do any damage at that age. If younger children watch the show the parents should probably watch it with them.

 

[wamdue]

USS Bones If you are talking about Chantho in Utopia, I would have put the moves on her as well, you dont need to be omnisexual to hit on aliens who are clearly the female of their species.

 

[Bones2]

USS Bones If you are talking about Chantho in Utopia, I would have put the moves on her as well, you dont need to be omnisexual to hit on aliens who are clearly the female of their species.

Someone else is putting words in my mouth. It's almost as if you can't believe what you read.

 

[DimesDan]

USS Bones If you are talking about Chantho in Utopia, I would have put the moves on her as well, you dont need to be omnisexual to hit on aliens who are clearly the female of their species.

Someone else is putting words in my mouth. It's almost as if you can't believe what you read.

Or he accentually miss quoted you

 

[Bones2]

That's what I said...








...or is it?

 

[wamdue]

I was looking at selinas post, which despite the coding error seems to suggest you said.

3: Jack's not gay, he's more omnisexual....going after whomever gets his attention. He did put the moves on a girl who was, for all intensive purposes, an insect.

maybe it was The Castellan who said that and not you.

My point still stands however.

 

[selina]

Yes, right, sorry that I messed that up. It was The Castellan . There were several quote-codes and I obviously erased the wrong ones. I will try to edit it to avoid any further confusion.

 

[wamdue]

selina dont worry about it, these things happen, we have all made coding mistakes.

 

[Sci]

I object to the gratuitous use of any sexual references in a kid's show.

You must have really hated it when the Doctor held Rose's hand. After all, that's a sexual reference -- that's something people who are in love and want to have a sexual relationship most often do. And I can only imagine how much it must have bugged you when the Doctor kissed girls!