A Glimmer of hope for HD?

[JamesRye]

Adam Mojo Lebowitz recently posted on Facebook that he has re-rendered a Voyager F/X sequence in HD. Here is the relevant comment by the artist:

"Now that Trek is back under one roof and Paramount Plus wants to expand their Trek Content I think that day may finally be a glimmer of light on the horizon!"

And this one of the guys working on the TMP DE

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[Akiraprise]

I think we will eventually get a remaster of DS9 and VOY. It's almost inevitable at this point. TPTB are going to want their older Trek offerings to stand the test of time with all of the new digital streaming devices and services coming out.

 

[Ragitsu]

Is it possible?

Is it true?

Will we one day be able to witness the unparalleled glory of Threshold in a full High-Definition resolution?

 

[weissmr]

I think we will end up with AI remasters of the standard def shows (ds9 and voyager). It may end up being better than a manually scanned and reproduced version.

I am starting to think the wait may be worth it. I'm hoping for an out of this world AI upgrade by 2025-27.

 

[Ragitsu]

I think we will end up with AI remasters of the standard def shows (ds9 and voyager). It may end up being better than a manually scanned and reproduced version.

I am starting to think the wait may be worth it. I'm hoping for an out of this world AI upgrade by 2025-27.

Those "artificial intelligences" have a ways to go before they can push beyond the waxy look of current remasters.

 

[Odo]

Yeah, I definitely think we'll get DS9 then Voyager remastered down the road.

 

[fireproof78]

I wouldn't bet money on it in my lifetime.

 

[herofhyrule]

Now that they're remastering the Director's Edition of The Motion Picture, I would be surprised if they don't remaster DS9 and VOY eventually. I know two seven-season TV shows are a lot more time consuming to remaster than a single film, but I would think there's far more demand to remaster DS9 and VOY than the TMP DE.

 

[Qonundrum]

I think we will end up with AI remasters of the standard def shows (ds9 and voyager). It may end up being better than a manually scanned and reproduced version.

Or, more likely, it may not. Let's see the "AI" tinkering first, next to a genuine remastered 35mm scan. The current "AI" has limitations with both color gamut and "resolution". Even shows getting the treatment to go from 480i to 1080P can be spotted a mile away. You still can't add actual detail. You can remap and edge sharpen and mask and interpolate frames with the computer creating a frame based on the first two frames (also useful in deinterlacing to get rid of artifacting from that process), even find what looks like hair and replace that... doesn't stop fabric from looking non-detailed and faces and bodies still mannequin-like.

I am starting to think the wait may be worth it. I'm hoping for an out of this world AI upgrade by 2025-27.

Again, let's see it. Current technologies just dance around the edges and the result is still a murky mess. If you want to spend $150/season for that instead of the only way that you will get actual detail and not glorified post-processing tricks, go right ahead.

 

[Qonundrum]

Now that they're remastering the Director's Edition of The Motion Picture, I would be surprised if they don't remaster DS9 and VOY eventually. I know two seven-season TV shows are a lot more time consuming to remaster than a single film, but I would think there's far more demand to remaster DS9 and VOY than the TMP DE.

Even for streaming, which would help return on costs even when the blu-ray sales would or would not over x months/years' sales interval. TNG was the most popular show and the spinoffs were not as popular... it's not like this argument is new or anything, but let's say the streaming figures show DS9 and VOY being higher. Let's do the remastering costs compared to streaming audiences combined with an estimated blu-ray audience (say 80% of what TNG had.) Will the numbers show it's a solid investment?

 

[Ray Hardgrit]

I'm worried that if AI upscaling is accepted by people then it'll be the best we'll ever get. The technology blew me away at first but now all I can see are the flaws and honestly I'd rather just stick with SD if that's the only other option.

 

[herofhyrule]

Even for streaming, which would help return on costs even when the blu-ray sales would or would not over x months/years' sales interval. TNG was the most popular show and the spinoffs were not as popular... it's not like this argument is new or anything, but let's say the streaming figures show DS9 and VOY being higher. Let's do the remastering costs compared to streaming audiences combined with an estimated blu-ray audience (say 80% of what TNG had.) Will the numbers show it's a solid investment?

I can't find exact viewing figures, but I would assume that DS9 and VOY are both individually watched more than every version of TMP combined, although I suppose that could be partially chalked up to the differences between a film and a TV series. But I'm not an expert, so I could be wrong. I just find it hard to imagine that it would be more lucrative to remaster the TMP DE than to remaster DS9 and VOY, although I will grant that, as I said, remastering a single film is much cheaper and less time-consuming than remastering 14 seasons of television.

 

[Josh Kelton]

I think we will eventually get a remaster of DS9 and VOY. It's almost inevitable at this point. TPTB are going to want their older Trek offerings to stand the test of time with all of the new digital streaming devices and services coming out.

And that film degrades, so if they don't do it within a certain amount of time, the opportunity is lost.

 

[Ray Hardgrit]

That's true. They should really get the film scanned at a decent resolution as soon as possible even if it's just for the sake of preservation. They don't want DS9 and Voyager to go the same way Farscape did.

 

[JamesRye]

That's true. They should really get the film scanned at a decent resolution as soon as possible even if it's just for the sake of preservation. They don't want DS9 and Voyager to go the same way Farscape did.

They are safely stored in salt mines, so they should be good for another 150 years or so - assuming its kept cool enough.

 

[JamesRye]

The artist has now upgraded the clip to HD! And the Voyager and cubes have been updated as well. It really looks great.

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