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A Fresh Look and Hindsight

Doc Mugatu

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Hello, returning after a long absence.

To the point: I have started re-watching Star Trek: The Next Generation, in order, on Netflix. Right now I am on "Too Short A Season" (S1 E15).

My query: Have others found their opinions have changed regarding episodes and seasons (for either good or bad or mix)?
 
It's such a cliché, but TNG is like a fine wine that only gets better with time. I've always appreciated the first two seasons, very much. They had a freshness that the rest of the seasons never quite matched. It seems that once the 3rd season came around, everything was kind of reduced to where the sets no longer had lighting involving time-consuming setups. Everything's blanket-lighted ... House Style, if you like. There were minor modifications in regular sets and costumes and the characters were now firmly established in their personalities and story-functions. So, whilst things got figured out, the texture and the flavour of the show subtly changed. The prologue with all the fanfare that goes with "Space ... the final frontier" got very cluttered starting Season Three and I never did like that.

It's obvious what they were going after, but it did not have the money, or the style afforded the first version of it, where the "D" exits the Solar System. That version was very pretty and nicely paced and was very majestic looking, which compliments the stately "D" very well. And worst of all, the planet sets pretty much went out the window and we see every planet looking like, you know, Griffith Park, rather than some exotic, wildly unusual alien world.

For pragmatic reasons, I suppose, Artistry got thrown under the bus, by the 3rd year and that's my biggest regret about the series. It's the aspect that I can never overlook, or sort of edit out in my mind, because it's all there onscreen. But the stories continue to be timeless, the cast has their chemistry and the guest stars are all memorable. No matter what else may go awry during any one particular episode, they always have that. And though I know every episode fairly well, the spirit of the show still moves me. The optimism, the hope ... and most of all, the honest desire to entertain. It's a faerie tale that I'll never have to outgrow, because it's for kids of all ages.
 
I wouldn't say my opinions have changed much, but I have gotten a deeper appreciation for certain aspects, like what is essentially the Riker character arc, which for a long time didn't seem like much of an arc at all, but when you rewatch the show enough, you can see him in a different light that goes beyond the archetypal confident stud thing he was portrayed as.

That's just one example among a multitude that have shaped over the years. I have similar thoughts & interpretations about Data's story, or Picard & his difficulty with children, & how it relates to his closed off nature in general. I've developed interesting theories. I can fill in some blanks the show left. There's a lot in there that solves itself, if you engage it with some genuine care. These were things I might not have felt in the initial viewings, because I was younger, less aware maybe, & more interested in other, more common aspects of the show
 
It's such a cliché, but TNG is like a fine wine that only gets better with time.

I can't rightly say TNG is like a fine wine. I will say I am enjoying the first season more than I recall originally. I should add, for context, that I have not re-watched the series in order since it first aired. I do still find the writing a bit trite as the writers were still clearly trying to get a handle on the series. On the plus side, both Ryker and Wesley Crusher are not as irritating as I recollected (though Wesley still should have been toned down and used more sparingly). Down side, Beverly Crusher may have fared better with a stronger actress (looking forward revisiting Diana Mulder's run as ship's CMO). There are far too many instances when the main characters react as if they've had no actual military training whatsoever. A lot of "do as I say and not as I do."

FYI: Just finished "The Arsenal of Freedom" (S1 E20)
 
I wouldn't say my opinions have changed much, but I have gotten a deeper appreciation for certain aspects, like what is essentially the Riker character arc, which for a long time didn't seem like much of an arc at all, but when you rewatch the show enough, you can see him in a different light that goes beyond the archetypal confident stud thing he was portrayed as.

I am seeing that. Originally, I didn't start liking Ryker until the "Chains of Command" two-parter (season?). I think I originally dismissed him because Ryker and Troi struck me as clones of Decker and Ilia from the first motion picture. I was more open to his character this time around. That is not to say that the writers didn't borrow a lot from The Original Series (being nice on this point) - I'm chalking that up to Gene Roddenberry producership. So far a solid freshman season.
 
I can't rightly say TNG is like a fine wine. I will say I am enjoying the first season more than I recall originally. I should add, for context, that I have not re-watched the series in order since it first aired. I do still find the writing a bit trite as the writers were still clearly trying to get a handle on the series. On the plus side, both Ryker and Wesley Crusher are not as irritating as I recollected (though Wesley still should have been toned down and used more sparingly). Down side, Beverly Crusher may have fared better with a stronger actress (looking forward revisiting Diana Mulder's run as ship's CMO). There are far too many instances when the main characters react as if they've had no actual military training whatsoever. A lot of "do as I say and not as I do."

FYI: Just finished "The Arsenal of Freedom" (S1 E20)
I know I didn't really answer the question of did my opinions on TNG change from what they were in the beginning to what they are for me, now, but that's because the answer is really "no." For me, the show continues to entertain, as it always has, because it's a Classic.

Meaning that it's true yesterday, true today and true tomorrow. As time goes by, I notice things I didn't before, or am in a new situation in life that allows me to connect to a story or a character in a way that maybe I wasn't able to, before. The things about it that I can't stand, fortunately, are exactly the same things they always were: Lwaxana and Barclay. And the vast majority of Bob Blackman's costume work. The good of TNG, however is like a gift that keeps on giving. Whether it be some bit of Trivia I pick up, or a detail I didn't notice before, or whatever it is ... it continues to generate interest for me in this series that started out in the Eighties. Like ... forever, ago.

I enjoy the Larger than Life Sized Characters that are almost like from Greek mythology. Who are different and apart from how people are in real life. Like, with BATMAN BEGINS, you've got this desperate effort to depict this cartoon as Reality ... and that approach deeply disturbs me. I like that Hollywood sheen, where some hot actress just gets out of bed and is already in form for a covershoot in a magazine. I LOVE that lack of reality. At the same time, I do like there to be a logical progression of things. Don't just do whatever, because you CAN! Let stories have flow, let characters go from point a to point b to point c ... but don't try to sell me the show as being at all based in Reality.
 
Season one is charmingly disastrous.

Datalore
, LOL.

That said watchin' a well executed S1episode like We'll Always Have Paris is like being transported back into the 1980s way of TV storytelling. It's real time capsule stuff, that.

The 2nd season is sturdier and full of vitality.

That they fell out with Ron Jones and we lost the starry wonder music, which was a huge tragedy.

Season 4/5 gave us a settled aesthetic & the episodes were drawn together nicely. Too much conference room chit chat perhaps.

The latter seasons, whilst good, the budgets became palpably tighter and Spiner even had to make do with a cheaper coat of paint, lol.
 
... the answer is really "no." For me, the show continues to entertain, as it always has, because it's a Classic.

I should have been clearer. My question was meant to be a matter of changing one's opinion from "like" to "dislike" or vice-versa. It was meant to be more nuanced. I, in my twenties, saw things one way and now, in my fifties, look at them a bit differently. Certain points I appreciate more while other elements strike me as almost farcical. Through it all I still enjoy The Next Generation. I can't say more or less but differently.

Right now I am on "The Measure of a Man" (S2 E9) - I confess the lack of commercial interruptions has made this exercise more than a little addicting.

My impression of season 1: Better than I remembered, overall. Beverly Crusher, however, has replaced her son, Wesley, as the weakest link character wise. Way back when, I loved Denise Crosby but not too hot on Tasha Yar. That has changed. I really lament the decision to kill her off (though I seem to recall it was at her request). I am still irritated that in season 1 there was a lot of talk not matching action. Case in point: Worf. They kept giving lip service to his Klingon heritage and his skill as a great warrior yet (other than holo-deck simulations) he was always getting taken out with little effort. Overall: I give season 1 a solid "B." Being a bit more rigid when younger originally gave it a "C" (maybe "C+").
 
Season one is charmingly disastrous.

Datalore
, LOL.

That said watchin' a well executed S1episode like We'll Always Have Paris is like being transported back into the 1980s way of TV storytelling. It's real time capsule stuff, that.

LOL, I have to say season 1 was far from "disastrous," but agree with your sentiment regarding the episodes mentioned.

Also, I thank all for their replies.
 
I should have been clearer. My question was meant to be a matter of changing one's opinion from "like" to "dislike" or vice-versa. It was meant to be more nuanced. I, in my twenties, saw things one way and now, in my fifties, look at them a bit differently. Certain points I appreciate more while other elements strike me as almost farcical. Through it all I still enjoy The Next Generation. I can't say more or less but differently.

Right now I am on "The Measure of a Man" (S2 E9) - I confess the lack of commercial interruptions has made this exercise more than a little addicting.

My impression of season 1: Better than I remembered, overall. Beverly Crusher, however, has replaced her son, Wesley, as the weakest link character wise. Way back when, I loved Denise Crosby but not too hot on Tasha Yar. That has changed. I really lament the decision to kill her off (though I seem to recall it was at her request). I am still irritated that in season 1 there was a lot of talk not matching action. Case in point: Worf. They kept giving lip service to his Klingon heritage and his skill as a great warrior yet (other than holo-deck simulations) he was always getting taken out with little effort. Overall: I give season 1 a solid "B." Being a bit more rigid when younger originally gave it a "C" (maybe "C+").
... Understood!
 
Finished "Q-Who" (S2 E16). Still one of my favorites. Not as scary as I recalled. I always remembered it as having a "classic horror" vibe (like "Frankenstein" or "Dracula"). More interesting than nightmarish. This episode especially instilled in me a sense that "Q" was an ally of Enterprise-D and not an adversary.

The previous episode, "Pen Pals" (S2 E15), was somewhat amusing to me this time out. Don't get me wrong, it is still a philosophically interesting adventure. What stood out to me during this viewing was Picard's reaction then resignation as Data kept digging their hole deeper and deeper and deeper, and that Picard would have reacted far differently if it had been any other member of his crew.
 
I would like to add that I really enjoyed Diana Mulder as Dr. Katherine Pulaski. Clearly a far stronger actress than Gates McFadden which led to a far stronger character in Pulaski than present in Crusher. I truly wish Mulder would have stayed with the series for her CMO had a gravitas, a strength, that truly put her on par with Picard and Riker. Maybe that was the problem?
 
Finished "Manhunt" (S2 E19).
One word review: ARGH!

This was, so far, the most painful episode to watch. Three weak storylines that wouldn't have made it as "B" or "C"-plots to the average TNG episode. Boy, in hindsight, their inability to write for women really becomes glaring. Majel Barrett, in my opinion, was a better actress than a lot of folks gave her credit for - I'm speaking of some of the behind-the-scenes books that insinuate she only got cast because of her relationship to G.R.. That may or not have been true, however, that doesn't mean she wasn't good at her chosen profession. Even as Lwaxanna Troi she could have pulled off a more substantial and sophisticated character if they had written her one. Every season is allowed a clunker or two, most times folks can debate which were the best and which were the worst. Not in this case. "Manhunt" was definitely one of the worst.
 
I'll always have a special fondness for the often maligned the first season, with its bigger music, bigger scope to the stories, and for the levels of suspense and edginess to the episodes, while being the most feel good and Rodenberry utopian of all the seasons.

Rewatching the series on bluray, I have come to enjoy seasons 3-5 much more. In particular seeing Yesterday's Enterprise in HD was like watching it for the first time. The lighting, David Carson's direction and the subtle conflict between Picard and Riker stood out.

I have become somewhat fixiated on the music, and among other things, the dreary music of seasons 6-7 has really reduced my preference for TNG's final seasons.

Season 1 and 2 has remained my favorite era of TNG. Seasons 3-5 has gone up in my estimation. Seasons 6-7 has gone down(although there are plenty of individual episodes that stand up well).
 
I'll always have a special fondness for the often maligned the first season, with its bigger music, bigger scope to the stories, and for the levels of suspense and edginess to the episodes, while being the most feel good and Rodenberry utopian of all the seasons. … Season 1 and 2 has remained my favorite era of TNG. Seasons 3-5 has gone up in my estimation. Seasons 6-7 has gone down(although there are plenty of individual episodes that stand up well).

Armus, thank you for your response. I have to confess that up until this current A to Z re-watching I was one of those who maligned the first season. Boy, what a difference 30 years makes. As for season 2, I never had a problem with it. Originally I had always felt that's when the writers really had the confidence of knowing what they had. This time around I could see where they had gotten a handle on the show a bit earlier. Maybe half way through the first.

I still believe you can notice in the first half of S1 of TNG that both writers and actors are finding their sea legs. In part because, my opinion, there was no interval between the pilot and the full season production. Usually, a series made a pilot and it was reviewed and aired to get reaction then a post-mortem before going to series (others can correct me on the error of that understanding). The Next Generation had to find itself while actually running the marathon, and I believe it is noticeable in at least the first quarter of S1 episodes. Then again that could just be me enamored with my own thinking as I am, at times, too easily impressed.

As for TNG past season two, I have currently just finished "Who Watches The Watchers" (S3 E4) and don't want to poison myself with my old POV and prejudices.
 
When it first aired, I soaked the show up and loved it all (while of course recognizing the occasional clunker). Now when an episode is on, say Heroes and Icons channel, my reaction to the 'bad' episodes is to find something else to watch. But a good episode will still rivet me to the screen. I think, now, however, there are far fewer good episodes than bad (or meh) episodes. But the really good ones could knock it out of the park.
 
When it first aired, I soaked the show up and loved it all (while of course recognizing the occasional clunker). Now when an episode is on, say Heroes and Icons channel, my reaction to the 'bad' episodes is to find something else to watch. But a good episode will still rivet me to the screen. I think, now, however, there are far fewer good episodes than bad (or meh) episodes. But the really good ones could knock it out of the park.

I can't stand to watch TNG on commercial TV stations/cable nets. Commercial breaks are too painfully long. They edit episodes to make room for even more commercials. Thirdly, and it may just be my luck but I always seem to catch the same half-dozen episodes over and over. My yen to re-watch TNG is only made possible due to its commercial-free availability on my streaming service (Netflix, but I believe others have it as well). So your diminishing estimation of episodes may be due to what's being snipped out in favor of more commercial time.

I just finished "Booby Trap" (S3 E6), and it was a far more potent an episode than I'd remembered. The storyline that has always stuck in my brain was La Forge's interaction with the computer-generated Leah Brahms. Picard's role was a hidden gem rediscovered this time round. Very much had a classic TOS feel to it.
 
Since I can view them readily on Netflix, I've been watching them more. DS9 has remained my favorite, yet I find that TNG's episodic format lends itself better to casual rewatching than DS9.
 
In terms of my opinion of Seasons 1 and 2, forum contributor @Ryan Thomas Riddle summed it up thus in an earlier thread I was reading today:

"I enjoy TNG Season One despite the horrid episodes. There was still a sense of wonder about exploration. The Enterprise was on it's own, far from home. There was still a weridness and danger about space ("The Last Outpost," as an example). People died (Tasha Yar). It's the same reasons I think Season Two is one of the best seasons of TNG. After the excellent Season Three, TNG became standardized and everything felt and looked the same in terms of storytelling, music and characters. Space became a small town that the Enterprise easily traveresed week-to-week. And the stories were more of galactic ambulance than deep-space exploration."

That's it in a nutshell for me. I don't not like TNG S4-7, there are some good episodes in there, but there's just an energy and vitality running through seasons 1-3 that mysteriously vanishes after BOBW and never really ever returns.
 
^Season 3 was a transitional season for the series; Rick Berman was gaining more and more control but Gene still guided the stories and had say in the production(such as giving his approval for the new uniforms), Michael Piller had become the head writer but there were several veterans from the first two seasons on staff(Biemler and Manning, Melinda Snodgrass), and Wesley was still a regular character. Season 3 is the last season where a handful of the episodes end on the bridge, as The Enterprise warps onto the next mission. I always missed that in later shows.
 
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