A chance to see how these characters got together...

[Trekker4747]

This line, or something like it, was said in one of the special features on the DVD.

The nitpicky Trekker in me wants to say... Ahem, ...

No it isn't.

By your own movie's logic a new timeline was created when the Romulan Ship exited the blackhole and attacked the Kelvin cilminating into a new alternate universe.

In the original universe, Kirk knew his father, had a stable male figure in his life and joined SF academy years earlier than Pine's Kirk does in this movie, or at least in a different manner. Meaning he wasn't on the same recruit shuttle as McCoy, meaning Kirk in the "Prime Universe" met McCoy under different circumstances. Would could use the same logic on how Kirk met Uhura and possibly even Spock, as Spock would've been serving under Pike while Kirk was on the Farragut. Kirk also wouldn't have met Chekov and Sulu until he took command of the Enteprise and likely Scotty, too (as opposed to here where Kirk meets Scotty when marooned and Sulu/Chekov when he's a stowaway and takes command.)

So, you see, this movie isn't how the Original Series' crew met at all. It's how they met in this universe, sure. But in the "prime universe" we don't really have much detail on how they all met.

 

[Temis the Vorta]

Yeah, this is a new reality. And a real fun one! I'm eager to see where they go with it.

We won't be seeing the Prime U on the big screen or small for a long time, maybe ever. Just gotta accept that and move on. I want my Abrams U TV series.

 

[Shazam!]

I want my Abrams U TV series.

What could the Abrams' Universe give you that the Prime universe couldn't?

 

[Nerys Myk]

New stories about Kirk, Spock and McCoy in their prime.

 

[Shazam!]

Why can't that be done in the Prime Universe?

I have actually thought of something that could be done in the Abrams' Universe though and that's the fallout from the destruction of Vulcan.

 

[Clancy_s]

Why can't that be done in the Prime Universe?

It could be done but for me knowing the eventual fate of the main characters would remove much of the dramatic tension.

I have actually thought of something that could be done in the Abrams' Universe though and that's the fallout from the destruction of Vulcan.

It sounds as though at least one of next years tie in novels will look at that fairly directly.

Indirectly it would change many aspects of how the Federation works.

 

[Temis the Vorta]

I want my Abrams U TV series.

What could the Abrams' Universe give you that the Prime universe couldn't?

A TV series.

Hey, my first choice would be an intrigue-filled post-Dominion-War TV series starring Kira, Garak, Bashir, Nog, Quark, Worf, maybe a couple folks from VOY (B'elanna, Tuvok, Paris, EMH?). My second choice would be, go back to the Birth of the Federation ENT concept and this time do it right.

But either has a snowball's chance in Sto-vo-kor of happening. ENT's failure sent the message that the Prime U is unpopular and unprofitable. Star Trek itself has been let off the hook because Abrams showed his version is highly popular and profitable. So that turns the onus directly on the poor old Prime U as the guilty party that everyone hates and doesn't want to see.

Of course, this is all grossly unfair. There's nothing at all wrong with the Prime U, if writers as competent as Trek XI's were put in charge of it. But since when is Hollywood "fair"? I'll take an Abrams U TV series and be content knowing it's the only series we're going to see for the near future or perhaps ever.

And maybe, just maybe after that series is a success, there's a slight hope down the road for a re-cast DS9 series (by then all the actors will be way too old) - a convoluted and unlikely road to follow to the series I really want, but it's the only way.

 

[Shazam!]

Of course, this is all grossly unfair. There's nothing at all wrong with the Prime U, if writers as competent as Trek XI's were put in charge of it.

Yeah, that's basically my take on it. The difference is I'm not letting them off for having so little faith in a product that had lasted 40 odd years.

 

[Trekker4747]

Of course, this is all grossly unfair. There's nothing at all wrong with the Prime U, if writers as competent as Trek XI's were put in charge of it.

Yeah, that's basically my take on it. The difference is I'm not letting them off for having so little faith in a product that had lasted 40 odd years.

I'm not completely ready to call the writers of Trek XI "competent." From one standpoint, the movie is shallow without a whole lot of depth. It only works because the actors and directors involved made it work. But the story itself hasn't much to it, and some fairly big flaws in it.

Secondly, these guys wrote the "Transformers" movies. So, I'm not letting them off the hook too easily.

But, I agree. There was no need that I see to have aborted the "Prime U" and start their own tangent. It shows a lack of imagination to think they can't write a good, compelling, and tense story with out erasing the restrictions they'd have to work in.

 

[Trevacious]

New stories about Kirk, Spock and McCoy in their prime.

I don't picture a new tv series set aboard this nuverse's Enterprise, simply because most of the cast are bound to be way too expensive for a television series by then.

On the other hand, they could always recast the roles Again. The precedent has been set. Actors working the roles week by week could bring a lot more depth to them over the years. Maybe the next Captain Kirk will be more believable.

And, if they go that far, perhaps they may as well avoid the pitfalls of the nuverse movies and just move into a thirdverse independent of the movies or prior television series.

 

[Nerys Myk]

Of course, this is all grossly unfair. There's nothing at all wrong with the Prime U, if writers as competent as Trek XI's were put in charge of it.

Yeah, that's basically my take on it. The difference is I'm not letting them off for having so little faith in a product that had lasted 40 odd years.

I'm not completely ready to call the writers of Trek XI "competent." Form one standpoint, the movie is shallow without a whole lot of depth. It only works because the actors and directors involved made it work. But the story itself hasn't much to it, and some fairly big flaws in it.

Secondly, these guys wrote the "Transformers" movies. So, I'm not letting them off the hook too easily.

But, I agree. There was no need that I see to have aborted the "Prime U" and start their own tangent. It shows a lack of imagination to think they can't write a good, compelling, and tense story with out erasing the restrictions they'd have to work in.

1)Rewatching on DVD I found it to be a lot deeper and with more "quiet" moments than I noticed in the theatre.

2)The guy wrote wrote "Batman and Robin" also won an Oscar for "A Beautiful Mind". So lets not judge writers by past work.

3) They wanted to do a TOS movie. Kind of hard with out a reboot. That story is pretty much locked in the Prime Universe.

 

[Shazam!]

I'm not completely ready to call the writers of Trek XI "competent." Form one standpoint, the movie is shallow without a whole lot of depth. It only works because the actors and directors involved made it work. But the story itself hasn't much to it, and some fairly big flaws in it.

That's true enough.

 

[JarodRussell]

New stories about Kirk, Spock and McCoy in their prime.

I don't picture a new tv series set aboard this nuverse's Enterprise, simply because most of the cast are bound to be way too expensive for a television series by then.

On the other hand, they could always recast the roles Again. The precedent has been set. Actors working the roles week by week could bring a lot more depth to them over the years. Maybe the next Captain Kirk will be more believable.

And, if they go that far, perhaps they may as well avoid the pitfalls of the nuverse movies and just move into a thirdverse independent of the movies or prior television series.

You can't recast! Pine is Kirk! Quinto is Spock!