A certain test in Trek XI - Spoilers - (I think...)
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GodThingFormerly
A Different Kind of Asshole
I honestly couldn't give a flying beer fart about what "REAL Star Trek fans" think of ST:TWOK or any other subject.
Maybe we should burn GR in effigy just to be sure...
Knock yourself out.
TGT
No it doesn't. All it reveals is that O&K are using names and events from existing canon in their new movie. The "Wild Wild West" film contained James West, Artemus Gordon, Doctor Loveless and The Wanderer train. So was that set in the same continuity as the classic TV series?
^ Just because the Wild Wild West movie was a reboot, doesn't mean this one will be. In fact all the comments I've heard suggest that it isn't.
Okay, that covers the "boring" option. Anyone want to advance the "laughing-out loud pathetic" one?
It's not even like one can claim that snoozer is "canonical" - the how, when and where of Kirk's first meeting with Spock is completely unestablished. It's Pike who Kirk is said to have first met during the turnover in command (in "The Menagerie," an episode in which we're also told that Kirk and Pike are "about the same" age when the events on Talos IV make Pike ten to fifteen years older than Kirk).
The producers are hoping for a large audience of new or very casual fans for this film - they're not making it to placate the hard-core (Paramount wouldn't put up 25 cents right now to please us). So, Kirk's first encounter with Spock is when they're both students and Spock calls him out for cheating? That's great - it goes against the very limited expections of an audience who just about know who "Kirk and Spock" are - "hey, aren't these guys supposed to be friends?" - and it creates a strongly motivated conflict that will color every interaction the characters have as they come to know one another.
"Kirk met Spock on a starbase when he took over the ship" is not a story; it's not the premise of a scene that anyone but a trekkie would give a f*** about. It's pooh-bah.
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It's conflict, which movies desperately need. Yes, it's good stuff by me.
You're wrong, obviously.
The test was something that happened to the character (in ST:TWoK), not a name or thing. Yes, an event. Which connects both stories. You're confused about wording, it seems.
It's conflict, which movies desperately need. Yes, it's good stuff by me.
You're wrong, obviously.
The test was something that happened to the character (in ST:TWoK), not a name or thing. Yes, an event. Which connects both stories. You're confused about wording, it seems.
I didn't say it's going to be a reboot. I just pointed out that just because the Maru test is going to be in it, you can't take that as evidence to suggest it's going to be canon. The new 'Battlestar Galactica' has characters, ships and even events from the classic show. But it's a reboot.
Personally, I believe that the scant few tidbits of blurry evidence that we have so far don't give any indication either way. And as for the interviews, it's mixed signals as well. What does make me think it's a reboot? The track records of the writers/producers, the recent long line of remakes/retellings, the fact that a lot of people want a proper reboot (which I wouldn't mind - it would be a half-assed, half-way effort; a "re-imagining" that I would) and the general, important point of finance - the target audience will want more bang (visually and story-wise) than what classic TOS would deliver (and how many of them will have even seen TOS anyway?).
The moment when two characters who we have the foreknowledge will become good deep friends needs to be precisely that: A moment, something that will last in our minds and be set apart from their later dynamic.
It should not be a trivial first meeting.
Sharr
I don't get ya. The new Battlestar Galactica is a new universe unconnected with the original show. Starbuck's a girl. The new Star Trek movie, we have learned, dramatizes the story about Kirk's 'test' referred to in ST:TWoK, so it's the same universe.
So... no reboot. It's following canon. See?
That's pretty beside the point and still no reason the moment shouldn't be one of *import* as has been stated up thread. This will be a great hook for those who don't know anything other then their names and add a layer to those who do know. Meeting at a change of command ceremony isn't a hook.
Sharr
I didn't say trivial. I said part of a larger tableau; that is, integrated with the plot, not some standalone obvious MOMENT™ that takes you out of the film.
So what do you want, fireworks when their eyes first connect? Maybe they run towards each other slow-motion in a gauzy meadow? A meet-cute when Kirk drops his books and Spock bends down to pick them up? How bout they get assigned as lab partners and have to dissect a tribble together? THAT'S exciting!
Having an event appear from one canon in a re-working set in a second canon (which, I'm not saying the film will be, just that we can't be sure yet) does not automatically validate it as part of the first canon. Again, my other example: in both 'Battlestar Galactica' series, there is the Fall of the Twelve Colonies, the Cimtar Peace Accord, the Galactica meeting with the Pegaus, and so forth. Those are all events that connect both stories (or canons, if you will). Yet the two universes are not the same.
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