I actually thought the Into Darkness would do that, but nope - which had to be confusing to some of the non-Trekkie general audience.
Spoilers A big hint about the finale/season 3 has dropped...
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"You never do!"
That depends, to my mind. I know many who are nerds and many who are not familiar with Star Trek and they both thoroughly enjoyed 09. Even my mom, who detests SF, enjoyed it.
I'm sure stories like this could go back and forth for eternity but I could hardly say it wasn't for general audiences.
Considering I saw it with a literal general audience member and she was completely confused (another friend, also from China was confused but became less so upon my pointing her to the Countdown prequel comic)--well, there's a reason we have tests to test hypotheses.
I tested JJ's hypothesis that his film was understandable to general audience members with an actual general audience member, and the test failed. (And it wasn't a language issue, her English is excellent). Not sure how I can get more clear cut than that.
I can very safely say that wasn't the case. I know this because, in 2009, everyone I know was asking me what I thought about the movie because they know I'm a fan. It was the first time I ever thought, "Please stop asking me!" I came up with a canned response that I gave out on cue: "I thought it was great!" No one asked me about the plot. They seemed to be able to follow it just fine.
That my mom who is unfamiliar with Star Trek and my wife who is unfamiliar with Star Trek could watch it without issue...not sure what more general audience we want.
Stating that it failed with a sample size of one is not exactly statistically significant.
Keep in mind I am talking about non-Americans who don't even know who Spock is. That's what I mean by general audience. People who know nothing about Star Trek.
From that standpoint, older Spock showing up makes about as much sense as Sean Connery showing up in Casino Royale telling Daniel Craig that he's Bond from the future. This would mean nothing if you don't know anything about James Bond and Casino Royale is your first Bond work.
Fair enough, and reportedly Star Trek Into Darkness was a big hit in China. Since that made even less sense than the 2009 movie to me...
That my mom who is unfamiliar with Star Trek and my wife who is unfamiliar with Star Trek could watch it without issue...not sure what more general audience we want.
Stating that it failed with a sample size of one is not exactly statistically significant.
I don't believe it.
Like, I totally believe there will be a time-jump in the finale, to 500 years in the future (or wherever Momma Burnham is right now). But it won't be permanent for the show - only a few characters will travel there and then back.
As for the big "game-changer", my money is on Momma Burnham returning and merging with "Control", sacrifice herself to save the universe, get thrown back into the past, and try to create "order" throughout the universe through different means (in the beginning allowing other beings to peaceful join, then become more agressive - the Borg).
That will have everything, big drama, sacrifice, Burnham's backstory "closed", and also will make her connected not just to Spock and the Klingon war, but also responsible for the Borg ravaging the galaxy.
"Old Spock is from their future. In the future, people get old." That's all you have to say.
It doesn't help Quinto and Nimoy don't really look alike.
I hope you didn't put too much money on it.
So here’s my “hot take” (ugh) opinion, apparently. I don’t want a Pike show. Anson is fantastic, yes, but if Pike is about to meet his grim fate then the show would be a prequel to the events of Discovery S2 and I’m just. Kinda. Done. With the prequel thing. ;_;
Plenty fair, yeah. I disagree with one thing — I feel like the natural conclusion to Michael’s story is to see her become captain and, ideally, experience what that’s like for a season. In that sense I’m not sure we’re quite that close to the end of her story.
I agree that Pike and Georgiou are better, though.
Fair enough! Thanks for having a stronger memory, lol. That said, I can still see it happening. But maybe not. We’ll see!
Mercifully, we won’t have to wait much longer to find out.
Plenty fair, yeah. I disagree with one thing — I feel like the natural conclusion to Michael’s story is to see her become captain and, ideally, experience what that’s like for a season. In that sense I’m not sure we’re quite that close to the end of her story.
I agree that Pike and Georgiou are better, though.
Fair enough! Thanks for having a stronger memory, lol. That said, I can still see it happening. But maybe not. We’ll see!
Mercifully, we won’t have to wait much longer to find out.
Captain America doesn't have magical healing blood... Did they even try to use any of that on Captain Pike?
Kirk: This hearing is now in session. Under the authority vested in me by Starfleet Command, I declare all charges and specifications in this matter have been dropped.
Spock: Allow me to take some blood samples of Khan and the Augments first. Then I will take leave to violate General Order 7. Again.
Some people are trying too hard to be confused.
Or trying too hard to figure something out when all they need to say is, "This is stupid!" and leave it at that.
Or trying too hard to figure something out when all they need to say is, "This is stupid!" and leave it at that.
If the finale does reset/overwrite what has happened to date, I'll be very peeved. It would be an insult to fans of the series in an attempt to appease those who are not fans.
However, it's merely speculation at this point, and there's no use in getting worked up over mere speculation.
However, it's merely speculation at this point, and there's no use in getting worked up over mere speculation.
That's actually what I first thought when I saw that post too.Or even the Great Bird of the Galaxy?
