8X04 "Listen" Grading/Discussion)(SPOILERS!
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Listen...but don't blink?
Don't Blink
Don't Breath
Listen!
What next Moffat? Don't Speak?
Don't Breath
Listen!
What next Moffat? Don't Speak?
Oh man... I really enjoyed this episode until we took a side-track into "oh Miss Clara, you are the most awesome companion EVAH!, you saved ever Doctor ever, you inspired the 11th Doctor at a crucial moment to Save Gallifrey and now you did the same to the Doctor as a child - is there no moment in his history that Clara isn't behind?"
Coming soon - Clara discovers the Doctor's dad suffers from impotence and travels in time to giving him an inspiring lecture to make sure the Doctor is born.
Leaving that aside, it was a good episode and it also solved the "Are all Gallifreyans Time-lords" question that people were arguing about recently.
Coming soon - Clara discovers the Doctor's dad suffers from impotence and travels in time to giving him an inspiring lecture to make sure the Doctor is born.
Leaving that aside, it was a good episode and it also solved the "Are all Gallifreyans Time-lords" question that people were arguing about recently.
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It was okay, at the very least. Felt a bit like another attempt at Blink, and I didn't like it that the Doctor gave the young Rupert some very dubious advice. Some good quips and other dialogue, and I liked the scene with the Doctor's professorial monologue at the beginning.
I'm relieved that Clara's intervention didn't turn out to be a necessary part of the Doctor's history, as that would have been wildly inconsistent with the Trenzalore storyline. As it is, she didn't so much inspire him to rebel as fail to accidentally prevent him from doing so.
I'm relieved that Clara's intervention didn't turn out to be a necessary part of the Doctor's history, as that would have been wildly inconsistent with the Trenzalore storyline. As it is, she didn't so much inspire him to rebel as fail to accidentally prevent him from doing so.
You could I guess read it in multiple ways, as a reference to the New Adventures Loom ideas, or just as the Doctor and the other boys having been taken from their parents (as per The Sound of Drums) to a home for assessment as to their future roles in Gallifreyan society...
Okayish episode but inconclusive. So the whole thing was just everyone's imagination? It made no sense.
Absolutely fantastic. The scariest Who has been in some time, I nearly wet myself when the figure under the blanket stepped behind Clara.
Some will say its derivative but like the very best of composers, Moffat is capable of taking riffs and licks he's used before, and still forge them into something that is both new, and brilliant. That is talent!
Loved the awkwardness on show from Jenna and Anderson (Danny Pink is seriously great) loved the creepiness of the orphanage and the spaceship at the end of time, and as for the twist in the barn...well some will (and clearly already are) complain, but then they're the same ones who probably didn't bat an eyelid when RTD implied the Master had always had drumming in his head. The show is always at its best when it takes risks, and I have to say I don't quite know what the big huge problem is, from the screeching some drama queens were doing after seeing the draft version I thought Moffat was going to suggest Clara was the Doctor's mum or something
Jenna is seriously wonderful this series, from a character I could never fully warm too I think she's fantastic now, and though I hate to say it, she works better with Capaldi than she did with Smith.
Finally this brings me to Capaldi, probably the first episode where I've really felt like he was The Doctor, long may this continue.
When Moffat's good, Moffat is great.
Some will say its derivative but like the very best of composers, Moffat is capable of taking riffs and licks he's used before, and still forge them into something that is both new, and brilliant. That is talent!
Loved the awkwardness on show from Jenna and Anderson (Danny Pink is seriously great) loved the creepiness of the orphanage and the spaceship at the end of time, and as for the twist in the barn...well some will (and clearly already are) complain, but then they're the same ones who probably didn't bat an eyelid when RTD implied the Master had always had drumming in his head. The show is always at its best when it takes risks, and I have to say I don't quite know what the big huge problem is, from the screeching some drama queens were doing after seeing the draft version I thought Moffat was going to suggest Clara was the Doctor's mum or something
Jenna is seriously wonderful this series, from a character I could never fully warm too I think she's fantastic now, and though I hate to say it, she works better with Capaldi than she did with Smith.
Finally this brings me to Capaldi, probably the first episode where I've really felt like he was The Doctor, long may this continue.
When Moffat's good, Moffat is great.
He certainly quoted from 100,000BC, yes. ("Fear makes companions of us all")
I don't really see how you would relate it to the Looms (which I alway thought were stupid anyway) as they created full grown bodies.
Over all, really liked the episode. And Capaldi really shined.
I thought orphan at first, then I remember 10 saying kids were taken as children for assessment.
I thought orphan at first, then I remember 10 saying kids were taken as children for assessment.
Wow, i thought this episode was going one way, then it throw me the other.
Great stuff, really enjoyed it.
Great stuff, really enjoyed it.
Pretty much sums up my views.
I have mixed feelings about this episode. On the one hand, when it built up the fear factor, especially the figure underneath the bedding, the episode really shined. On the other hand, it seemed to be too distracted on the Clara/Danny romance to focus on the fear element that The Doctor wanted to explore. The two were tangentially tied together and kind of worked, but I hardly found the latter to be a necessary component to the former. Granted, it doesn't help that I really don't like this whole "Clara gets picked up and dropped off every episode so she can have an Earthside romance" situation this season is doing (which just continues the same basic idea Amy and Rory had in their final episodes that I also find very annoying), so I'll admit that I'm biased against the romance angle in this episode from the get go.
Honestly, I didn't mind another go at Moffat's series of playing on fears as he did with his RTD-era episodes, but this episode wasn't as focused as those episode. The bedroom room scene was by far the highlight of the episode (seriously, the hairs behind my neck stood on end) and yet it failed to capitalize on this element.
I don't really care one way or the other about the Gallifrey bit except with the problem of them being able to visit despite it being time locked. *shrug*
In the end, it's another great performance from Peter Capaldi working with only a decent script.
Honestly, I didn't mind another go at Moffat's series of playing on fears as he did with his RTD-era episodes, but this episode wasn't as focused as those episode. The bedroom room scene was by far the highlight of the episode (seriously, the hairs behind my neck stood on end) and yet it failed to capitalize on this element.
I don't really care one way or the other about the Gallifrey bit except with the problem of them being able to visit despite it being time locked. *shrug*
In the end, it's another great performance from Peter Capaldi working with only a decent script.
So yet again half loved it, half hated it. I'm starting to see a trend here.
I'd love to have the nightmare come true of finding Jenna Coleman hiding under the bed...
Very intense and at times very scary but also a bit of a mess. The Doctor was very casual about messing with people's timelines, especially Clara's. Has he forgotten that she's the impossible girl? With facets of her scattered all throughout his life it seems pretty dangerous to slave the TARDIS to her subconscience.
Also they messed with Danny's timeline pretty badly. It's basically the Doctor's fault now he became a soldier and then traumatised.
I did like the idea of an organism evolved to hide but we never found out whether it was real or not. But if it wasn't as the ending suggests then who or what sat on Danny's bed?
I did like the scene with the Doctor as a child. But I'm not sure about the Timelord thing (which also contradicts previous explanations about regeneration, e.g. by the 11th Doctor) and the tying in with "The Day of the Doctor".
Also they messed with Danny's timeline pretty badly. It's basically the Doctor's fault now he became a soldier and then traumatised.
I did like the idea of an organism evolved to hide but we never found out whether it was real or not. But if it wasn't as the ending suggests then who or what sat on Danny's bed?
I did like the scene with the Doctor as a child. But I'm not sure about the Timelord thing (which also contradicts previous explanations about regeneration, e.g. by the 11th Doctor) and the tying in with "The Day of the Doctor".
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