Garm Bel Iblis
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So the Kelvin carries a crew of nearly 800+? The Enterprise-D only carried 1,000 and the Pre-Shift Timeline 1701 only carried 430, why was the Kelvin so big?
800 lives???
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Well we don't know for certain that the Kelvin had a crew of over 800. There's little canonical data on the ship or her mission. For all we know she could have been transporting colonists, or troops, and had been carrying far more than her actual crew.
The Kelvin was 1500 feet long, had a crew of around 800 and very industrial equipment. In the prime reality, Starfleet developed a 900 feet long Constitution class ship with lots of Jeffries tubes and automated equipment, bringing crew size to 430. In the alternate reality, the ships were not streamlined and grew to sizes of 2380 feet long, requiring crews of 1100 to maintain multiple warp cores, large bridges and industrial equipment.
That's my theory. In any case, whether you believe the new Enterprise is 1200 feet long or 2380 feet long, the Kelvin is 1500 feet long and is larger than the old Enterprise. Notice too how similar to 2230s Kelvin/Kobayashi Maru designs the new Enterprise is: large bridges with viewscreen windows.
That's my theory. In any case, whether you believe the new Enterprise is 1200 feet long or 2380 feet long, the Kelvin is 1500 feet long and is larger than the old Enterprise. Notice too how similar to 2230s Kelvin/Kobayashi Maru designs the new Enterprise is: large bridges with viewscreen windows.
There's nothing in TOS that says the original Enterprise was the biggest ship of her day, simply the most advanced, akin to the Intrepid or the Sovereign.
I forget who, but I know someone here has a really well thought out fan theory about the Kelvin: that she could have been transporting colonists, hence the large number of people on board, the large ship, and seemingly nothing heavier than phasers for basic weaponry.
Obviously because she's giving birth and requires privacy: everyone else could have easily squeezed in those roomy shuttles (or escape pods, which we don't see but that doesn't mean it didn't happen).
Where'd you hear this? According to Berndt Scheider, official statistics give the NuEnterprise's length as around 700 metres, but he disregards this in favour of a more reasonable 302 metres (I personally concur with this). He gives the Kelvin's length as 250 metres, slightly smaller than the prime universe Enterprise NCC-1701.
As for the line about 800 lives, I just regard that as an error and ignore it.
Well that's his opinion, and I gave mine. The Kelvin and alternate Enterprise are 1500 feet and 2380 feet long according to the filmmakers. Bernd also thinks the Narada isn't seven miles long and wide.
It's because of this -among many other things- I'm just considering this entire universe to be its own with no connection to the one we've known for the last 40 years. I know, I know, it's supposed to be a jump-back in time making an alternate timeline after the encounter with the Kelvin but with that we have to "accept" that this huge starship -orders of magnitude larger than the TOS ships- is in the "actual universe" with a huge brewery engineering hull and the HUD window bridge.
Sorry, not acepting it. The entire movie is a whole other universe than the one we know and love, including the presumed universe Spock Elder came from. And know what? I'm fine with it.
(This universe also promotes rebeious cadets to captains of flagships.)
Sorry, not acepting it. The entire movie is a whole other universe than the one we know and love, including the presumed universe Spock Elder came from. And know what? I'm fine with it.
(This universe also promotes rebeious cadets to captains of flagships.)
You mean a Lieutenant who saved the Federation?
A lieutenant who was still in school and got promoted to Captain, jumping several promotions, to the flagship.
When I heard the 800 lives line I thought that this thing must be the size of a Galaxy-class almost. That and the fact that it was near the Klingon border alone made me think it was a battleship. But I think its classified as a survey vessel and the colony ship idea might make more sense.
In any case, do you have any comments for my fan theory? Keep in mind a really important of the story is that George and Winona Kirk were the same people, and would've raised James the same way had it not been for the Narada.
Several of us arrived at this idea during earlier discussions. If someone were interested, the forum has a good search function that can answer a lot of the questions being raised again with the home video's emergence.
And didn't they say she was being taken to a Medical Shuttle? There were probably other types of shuttles that held a lot more people.
Winona Kirk was taken to a medical shuttle to give birth in.
It's possible she was in a seperate "room" in the shuttle and there was an area not seen filled with passengers.
It's possible she was in a seperate "room" in the shuttle and there was an area not seen filled with passengers.
Here's a cool way to rescue masses of people: transport them and store them in the pattern buffer until you get somewhere you can reassemble them in enough space.
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