6x07 A Good Man Goes To War (Grade/Discuss) SPOILERS!

[Psion]

Of course she'll kill Rory ... did you see how she reacted to him at Stormcage? She looked like she'd just seen a ghost.

Except ... she didn't react to him like that when she met him those other times.

*sigh* I suspect the answer is going to be something fans will argue about for years after the episode airs.

 

[Worf2DS9]

Oh, and I want more steampunk sword-wielding lesbian lizard action.

I can't tell you what I'd want to write with them in...

I would watch the hell out of a series about them

I was just watching the bit where Vastra & Jenny are introduced, and I too would love a series with those two. Next spin-off please!

 

[AJBryant]

Based on some comments in this thread, I made a faux-Victorian Periodical cover:



The title of the first story comes from this lovely tweet by The Moff.

Dammit, now I'm cheesed off that I can't read this story. Curse you for getting me all "in my bunk-ish" about this thing!

BTW: DAMNED nice job.

 

[Worf2DS9]

^ That is pretty awesome! to the max!

 

[Starkers]

Of course she'll kill Rory ... did you see how she reacted to him at Stormcage? She looked like she'd just seen a ghost.

Except ... she didn't react to him like that when she met him those other times.

*sigh* I suspect the answer is going to be something fans will argue about for years after the episode airs.

I'm wondering at what point River knows Amy and Rory are her parents, because her attitude towards both has been pretty blase most of the time...

 

[Alidar Jarok]

Well, I remember at Pandorica Opens, River acts like she doesn't know Rory. Moffat commented that she was merely pretending not to know him. That's how I interpreted the reaction in this episode. She had to pretend not to know Rory until she could be certain he knew her.

 

[Allyn Gibson]

Well, I remember at Pandorica Opens, River acts like she doesn't know Rory. Moffat commented that she was merely pretending not to know him. That's how I interpreted the reaction in this episode. She had to pretend not to know Rory until she could be certain he knew her.

Or Rory's not her father, considering that he didn't exist post-Silurian story and so couldn't have been a party to her conception.

That could be why Amy calls the baby "Melody Pond." She knows Rory isn't the father.

 

[Starkers]

Er...but clearly he is her father, if nothing else that would suggest not only Amy sleeping with somone else, but sleeping with someone else whilst the Tardis was in flight...you'd think the Doctor would have noticed!

 

[Rowan Sjet]

Looking back, it seems obvious why River didn't seem to know who Rory was. Because she'd forgotten him the same way Amy had.

 

[Takeru]

I finally watched the episode and it was okay, but not great.
The River reveal fell flat for me, probably because I remember people making the River/Pond connection since The Eleventh hour, for days it was all "River is Amy's mother, daughter, sister, aunt, regenerated Amy", this was more of a confirmation, not a surprising reveal.

Weren't we promised a game changing cliffhanger? Where was it? Don't tell me it was "River is Amy's and Rory's daughter", because I don't see how that changes anything for the show. It will change the dynamic between those characters, but that's hardly game changing.

 

[Ar-Pharazon]

I finally watched the episode and it was okay, but not great.
The River reveal fell flat for me, probably because I remember people making the River/Pond connection since The Eleventh hour, for days it was all "River is Amy's mother, daughter, sister, aunt, regenerated Amy", this was more of a confirmation, not a surprising reveal.

Weren't we promised a game changing cliffhanger? Where was it? Don't tell me it was "River is Amy's and Rory's daughter", because I don't see how that changes anything for the show. It will change the dynamic between those characters, but that's hardly game changing.

I think it would have felt game changing if there weren't spoilers everywhere, including ones let out by BBC. Plus all the internet speculation & discussion.

But them's the times we live in.

I watched STTNG Best Of Both Worlds last week and remembered what it was like to not know what was coming. I really miss that.

 

[TiberiusMaximus]

Well, I remember at Pandorica Opens, River acts like she doesn't know Rory. Moffat commented that she was merely pretending not to know him. That's how I interpreted the reaction in this episode. She had to pretend not to know Rory until she could be certain he knew her.

Or Rory's not her father, considering that he didn't exist post-Silurian story and so couldn't have been a party to her conception.

That could be why Amy calls the baby "Melody Pond." She knows Rory isn't the father.

He did exist after the universe was rebooted on their wedding night - which we are meant to assume was when Melody/River was conceived. That's what the Doctor's rambling speech suggested - he even mentioned that Rory was dead, and then he didn't exist, and then...he did.

 

[Psion]

Looking back, it seems obvious why River didn't seem to know who Rory was. Because she'd forgotten him the same way Amy had.

But if she didn't remember him because he never existed, how could she have existed? Unless Rory isn't her real father ...

 

[Arrqh]

Looking back, it seems obvious why River didn't seem to know who Rory was. Because she'd forgotten him the same way Amy had.

But if she didn't remember him because he never existed, how could she have existed?

The same way Amy still existed even though her parents didn't. It was a pretty central idea that when people fall out of the world, they leave things behind.

 

[Joy]

I think a human with human +Timelord DNA is kinda game changing. I mean, if it's as easy as conceiving while in the Vortex... Could this mean the rise of a new Timelord society?

 

[Starkers]

I watched STTNG Best Of Both Worlds last week and remembered what it was like to not know what was coming. I really miss that.

Amen to that, although the powers that be really missed a trick to fuck with the minds of everyone viewing, the opening drawl to part 2 really should have had Frakes doing the Final Frontier spiel!

 

[YellowSubmarine]

Weren't we promised a game changing cliffhanger? Where was it? Don't tell me it was "River is Amy's and Rory's daughter", because I don't see how that changes anything for the show. It will change the dynamic between those characters, but that's hardly game changing.

The ending was game changing for all the characters in the show. Just because it wasn't game changing for you because you were spoiled doesn't mean it wasn't game changing. For me it was still a shocking reveal because Amy and Rory were shocked. It matters little that I wasn't, I still could relate to how they felt.

Though I personally still refuse to accept that it was a "cliffhanger". A cliffhanger is where you catch the rope to go down the cliff, the rope begins to tear itself and the show ends while you're still hanging. Here the characters made it safely to the bottom of the cliff and got to catch the bus to go home, hardly a cliffhanger for me.

 

[Mr Light]

I can picture the next episode... the Doctor leading dozens of couples into the Tardis to boff to repopulate his species...

 

[DS9Continuing]

Looking back, it seems obvious why River didn't seem to know who Rory was. Because she'd forgotten him the same way Amy had.

But if she didn't remember him because he never existed, how could she have existed?

The same way Amy still existed even though her parents didn't. It was a pretty central idea that when people fall out of the world, they leave things behind.

I like this. Let's stick with this.

 

[Zulu Romeo]

I can picture the next episode... the Doctor leading dozens of couples into the Tardis to boff to repopulate his species...

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