6.5X012 Closing Time (Grading/Discussion) (SPOILERS!)
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IT'S NOT 6.5! It's 6. Why do you insist on putting that as the title and carrying it thru the thread.
Re: 6X012 Closing Time (Grading/Discussion) (SPOILERS!)
I know it's unlikely, but I hope the episode has Semisonic's "Closing Time" in the soundtrack at some point.
And...
Totally agreed. It's either 6x12 (12th episode of season six) or 6.5x5 (5th episode of season 6.5). "Closing Time" is not the 12th episode of season 6.5.
I know it's unlikely, but I hope the episode has Semisonic's "Closing Time" in the soundtrack at some point.
And...
Totally agreed. It's either 6x12 (12th episode of season six) or 6.5x5 (5th episode of season 6.5). "Closing Time" is not the 12th episode of season 6.5.
And while we're at it, why is there a leading 0 it's not like there's more than a hundred episodes a series.
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He's doing it just to rile you guys up about something so utterly mundane. 
There's an Enterprise joke in there somewhere.
Well it's fucking repugnant so far. You can tell Roberts is writing.
Surprise surprise, it didn't get any better.
One word - lame. The first Matt Smith episode I haven't enjoyed on some level. Please don't bring James Corden back again.
Loved it (contrary to my expectations) and the lead in to the next episode looked interesting, too. The Amy & Rory cameo was fun - glad the Doctor didn't talk to them though.
I loved most of it. It was quite funny and i liked that the cybermen were a minor threat.
But i hated that they defeated the bad guys with love again.
Come on, this is getting ridiculous. And what happened to the cybermen conversion? In the RTD-era humans were partially slaughtered with chainsaw-like machinery to get compatible with cybermentechnology. And now it just takes the cry of a baby to reject that technology? I guess all the people that died in previous invasions just didn't had the will to live for something. They basically committed suicide.
The rest was pretty good though.
But i hated that they defeated the bad guys with love again.
Come on, this is getting ridiculous. And what happened to the cybermen conversion? In the RTD-era humans were partially slaughtered with chainsaw-like machinery to get compatible with cybermentechnology. And now it just takes the cry of a baby to reject that technology? I guess all the people that died in previous invasions just didn't had the will to live for something. They basically committed suicide. The rest was pretty good though.
I'm giving this a Time After Time, which may be erring on the side of generosity. The buddy movie aspect was delightful, the dialogue was whip-sharp and quotable, and Matt Smith gave a stellar performance, pretty much completely bereft of any sense of artifice. There was also the sense of foreboding, which I thought was handled exceedingly well.
However, the resolution to the cybermen plot struck me as old-school preposterous and just stupid. Smith acted the hell out of it, though, even channelling Nine from The Doctor Dances. ("Just give me this!" or words to that effect.) Kudos to James Corden for ably supporting Smith throughout the episode, too. Looks like they had a blast doing it.
The other place in which it loses stock with me is in the thickly-laden melodrama of the River/Kovarian scene. The latter should just grow a moustache so that she can twirl it. Muahahahahaaaa!
However, the resolution to the cybermen plot struck me as old-school preposterous and just stupid. Smith acted the hell out of it, though, even channelling Nine from The Doctor Dances. ("Just give me this!" or words to that effect.) Kudos to James Corden for ably supporting Smith throughout the episode, too. Looks like they had a blast doing it.
The other place in which it loses stock with me is in the thickly-laden melodrama of the River/Kovarian scene. The latter should just grow a moustache so that she can twirl it. Muahahahahaaaa!
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It's not a view held by just about anyone else, but I'm quite fond of Silver Nemesis. Attack's alright as well, though not as good as Earthshock.
It seems these were meant to be proper Cybermen too, despite being the stompy Cybuscunts. You'd have thought it would have been cheaper to redesign the Cybermen than the Daleks, but I suppose with shite Cybes and Shitlurians, they just couldn't keep Daleks that looked any good. Fuckwits.
Yeah, kind of weird that we get new Dalek variants constantly but the same ol' Cybermen with the exception of the Cyberleader/Cybercontroller with the translucent brains and the removed 'logo'. I'm not saying we should return to the classic look, but It's interesting that almost every time we saw the Cybermen in the classic series they had a new look or variation, whereas the Daleks largely remained the same and even used the same props from the 60s well into the 80s with minor differences in color. Now we get new Daleks every story practically (Even the "Time war"/RTD versions had plenty of variation, when you think about it). Also a lot of the 'body horror' aspect of Cybermen has been lost.
Speaking of the Daleks, I wonder what their role will be next week. It seemed to be at an odd angle in the console room.
Speaking of the Daleks, I wonder what their role will be next week. It seemed to be at an odd angle in the console room.
That was reasonable fun for most of the time, ending excepted, and nice to hear the Cybes' theme tune get a nice blast too! Daisy Haggard only has one note to perform to, hasn't she? This, Psychoville, everything, she's just the same - annoying. But yes, funny, nice to see the Cybes, and the Cybermats, and Lynda Baron.
And I did also like the way the Doctor kept thinking aloud to people, showing why he always has companions...
The ending sucked, though - love overrides Cyberconversion? (They might as well give up on conversion, between Yvonne wossface in Doomsday, and Dervla Kirwan in The Next Doctor) And wouldn't they just have killed him, then? He's still got useable arms and legs and stuff... And if emotion in a conversion subject created lethal feedback, they could never convert a person without being killed by their victims' terror! And of course what the Cybes actually do to people seems to have changed yet again. It felt like a "shit, how do we wrap this up five minutes earlier than normal so we can get in the lead-in to next week's finale? Oh, he hears his brat wailing and wakes up so all the Cybermen explode." Or possibly "hey, what if we did a story where hearing a baby cry made Cybermen explode, regardless of what else happens?" Fuck off.
No, seriously, fuck off. There have been bad endings to bad episodes, and bad endings to good episodes, but that was the biggest gap between the goodness of an episode and shittiness of an ending that I've seen in a long time...
I have to admit, though... the arc this year just hasn't done it for me. All I could think of, come the feed into next week's finale, was "thank fuck it's about to be over." I can't really put my finger on why this season has felt weak as a season - cos all the individual episodes have been fine - and I think it's two things: 1) the midseason gap killing the pace, and 2) there weren't really *developments* in this arc. I mean, like last year you had a forward-going arc that introduced new pieces now and again, such as the revelation that the cracks were caused by the exploding TARDIS in the Silurian story. This year they haven't really done anything to advance the issue of getting round the Doctor's death since episode 1. Just little reminders that the Doctor died and will die at the end. (River's origin, of course is a separate arc, but that was pretty much nailed down in Let's Kill Hitler)
Hey-ho, one episode to go, and at least Matt Smith continues to be fantastic...
Would have been 9/10 but gets knocked down to 6/10 off for the resolution being so massively fucked-up.
And I did also like the way the Doctor kept thinking aloud to people, showing why he always has companions...
The ending sucked, though - love overrides Cyberconversion? (They might as well give up on conversion, between Yvonne wossface in Doomsday, and Dervla Kirwan in The Next Doctor) And wouldn't they just have killed him, then? He's still got useable arms and legs and stuff... And if emotion in a conversion subject created lethal feedback, they could never convert a person without being killed by their victims' terror! And of course what the Cybes actually do to people seems to have changed yet again. It felt like a "shit, how do we wrap this up five minutes earlier than normal so we can get in the lead-in to next week's finale? Oh, he hears his brat wailing and wakes up so all the Cybermen explode." Or possibly "hey, what if we did a story where hearing a baby cry made Cybermen explode, regardless of what else happens?" Fuck off.
No, seriously, fuck off. There have been bad endings to bad episodes, and bad endings to good episodes, but that was the biggest gap between the goodness of an episode and shittiness of an ending that I've seen in a long time...
I have to admit, though... the arc this year just hasn't done it for me. All I could think of, come the feed into next week's finale, was "thank fuck it's about to be over." I can't really put my finger on why this season has felt weak as a season - cos all the individual episodes have been fine - and I think it's two things: 1) the midseason gap killing the pace, and 2) there weren't really *developments* in this arc. I mean, like last year you had a forward-going arc that introduced new pieces now and again, such as the revelation that the cracks were caused by the exploding TARDIS in the Silurian story. This year they haven't really done anything to advance the issue of getting round the Doctor's death since episode 1. Just little reminders that the Doctor died and will die at the end. (River's origin, of course is a separate arc, but that was pretty much nailed down in Let's Kill Hitler)
Hey-ho, one episode to go, and at least Matt Smith continues to be fantastic...
Would have been 9/10 but gets knocked down to 6/10 off for the resolution being so massively fucked-up.
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well, i loved it. dunno why everyone's got to be so miserable and hypercritical...
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