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50th Anniversary Rewatch Thread

Agreed but Captain Jon Daly was no Mr.Spock!
JB
No, but people - even actors - throw out hard to dispute info as fact for their own reasons. John Astin - no idea where that came from, but since other sources name someone else, it'll take a lot more than a quote form him to make me believe it. If someone, like Harvey, can dig up confirmation, I'll buy it.
 
Ah well, guess I'll have to go to the future this week and watch some programs of tomorrow, something legendary perhaps... ;)
The 50th anniversary madness continues for me even when TOS is on hiatus, because I decided to sync in my viewing of some other shows that I've been DVR'ing. Sometime between tonight and tomorrow I'll be watching the episodes of The Green Hornet ("Deadline for Death"), The Man from UNCLE ("The Concrete Overcoat Affair: Part II"), and The Saint ("Little Girl Lost") that aired on December 2, 1966 (the latter by its original British airdate).
 
Gerald Fried recorded the score to "Shore Leave" 50 years ago today. I posted some photos from the first tape box here.

Neil
 
No, but people - even actors - throw out hard to dispute info as fact for their own reasons. John Astin - no idea where that came from, but since other sources name someone else, it'll take a lot more than a quote form him to make me believe it. If someone, like Harvey, can dig up confirmation, I'll buy it.

Thing is the voice over by Astin as Daly was no historical event as such and nothing that a non fan would ever remember so if it wasn't him why would he say it was? Seems odd!
JB
 
Thing is the voice over by Astin as Daly was no historical event as such and nothing that a non fan would ever remember so if it wasn't him why would he say it was? Seems odd!
JB

Because it's Star Trek...? No idea, but again, I never actually heard it before now in any publication or online resource other than IMDB, which is meaningless. And it's the same voice used as the communications dude on Starbase 11 in The Managerie. Did Astin say he did more than one? And honestly, he was a very busy working actor at the time. Why would he do a quick uncredited voicover for a show he never did a guest spot on?
 
He did state he was uncredited for the part, it sounds like him but considering I don't know his work outside of Addams Family and the odd TV appearance I wouldn't bet my little finger on it!
JB
 
50 years ago this week:
December 5 – U.S. Supreme Court rules in Bond v. Floyd that the Georgia House of Representatives must seat Julian Bond, having violated his First and Fourteenth Amendment rights.
December 6 – Bình Hòa massacre: Vietnam War.
December 7
  • Syria offers weapons to rebels in Jordan.
  • Barbados is admitted to the United Nations.
December 8 – The Typaldos Line's ferry SS Heraklion sinks in rough seas, in the Aegean Sea near Crete, leaving 217 dead.


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Gerald Fried recorded the score to "Shore Leave" 50 years ago today. I posted some photos from the first tape box here.

Neil
That's terrific, Neil. I listened to it on the day. I liked it better than I remembered.

Watch last week's big DC crossover on CW I was reminded of the Menagerie part II. Several characters who seemed that they should be important would disappear from the story because we were now in an episode that couldn't afford them! (Thea! Where did you go!)

Much like how Menagerie I has a regular episode budget but in II (which was an "extra") does not. So Spock's trial suddenly gets a lot less crowded. Sorry Jimmy and De, you guys have the week off!

I don't know why but to this day I love seeing the Cage footage actually projected on the view screen.
 
And we're back after a week's break...

"The Conscience of the King", Episode 13, December 8th

Tonight's Episode:
Lured by the promise of free sandwiches Kirk meets one of the aliens from The Simpsons.
 
Overall it's not a bad story, but there are some plot points I take issue with. Details here in my usual weekly article on my blog.

I am looking forward to next week... the Romulans arrive!

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Any ST ep without other-worldliness is a disappointment. So I'll never like this, Court Martial, or Mudd's Women as much as the others.
 
Overall it's not a bad story, but there are some plot points I take issue with.

Yep, the whole setup for the show is kinda iffy, we're supposed to believe that there's no way to establish someone's identity other than a eyewitness confirmation? And Kirk was what, 12 then? Riley would have been 7-8 years old, tops. What about DNA analysis, voice pattern, facial recognition, or even the good old fashioned fingerprint? We're told that kind of evidence is not enough because it's too inconclusive and fallible to be put forward in a court, but a 20 year old memory of an 8 year old kid would somehow be enough to put him away? Also, only 9 witnesses? What about the other 4000 colonists who survived?

Even though the setup's iffy, the actual episode is really rather good. The slow build up and reveal of what Kodos is about, Kirk trying to uncover him, Spock and McCoy trying to uncover what Kirk is up to, return of Riley which is also welcome. Also, both Karidians are great in their roles and don't fall into overacting which is a danger when actors play actors ;)

The eugenics angle that gets mentioned, was that a buzzword fear at the time? Leftover from Nazi times, or something that the filthy commies were accused of being up to?
Because what Kodos actually did had nothing to do with eugenics, he killed half the population so the other half could live, it wasn't some crazy experiment to better the gene pool, it was in his mind a matter of survival due to food shortage, and he apparently saved kids and whacked parents so it seems his guiding principle was children (and women?) first.

Kirk again flirts with a teenager, but this one at least is in the last year of her teens, and not the first, so it's not that creepy when she talks about his surging and throbbing power. It is creepy he's only doing it to trap her father, but I guess it balances out since she's only doing it to kill him...

As for Vulcan being conquered, I presume Spock's logical thought process upon hearing that went something like this: "This guy's about to get so pissed, by tomorrow morning he'll forget anything I said, so I shan't even bother correcting his obvious error." :vulcan:
 
This episode is so hit and miss. When it hits it's perfect. (Almost anything with Kodos.) When it misses it's embarrassing. (Um, lots of Lenore.)

I never got that Kodos was wrong. They never sold me on there being another solution. (Over the years I've gotten that there was supposed to be one.) All I ever got was that the colony was rescued so his desperate measures were unnecessary. The most I ever got was a sense that he said "Gee, I've ALWAYS wanted to try this!"
 
Yep, the whole setup for the show is kinda iffy, we're supposed to believe that there's no way to establish someone's identity other than a eyewitness confirmation? And Kirk was what, 12 then? Riley would have been 7-8 years old, tops. What about DNA analysis, voice pattern, facial recognition, or even the good old fashioned fingerprint? We're told that kind of evidence is not enough because it's too inconclusive and fallible to be put forward in a court, but a 20 year old memory of an 8 year old kid would somehow be enough to put him away? Also, only 9 witnesses? What about the other 4000 colonists who survived?

Even though the setup's iffy, the actual episode is really rather good. The slow build up and reveal of what Kodos is about, Kirk trying to uncover him, Spock and McCoy trying to uncover what Kirk is up to, return of Riley which is also welcome. Also, both Karidians are great in their roles and don't fall into overacting which is a danger when actors play actors ;)

The eugenics angle that gets mentioned, was that a buzzword fear at the time? Leftover from Nazi times, or something that the filthy commies were accused of being up to?
Because what Kodos actually did had nothing to do with eugenics, he killed half the population so the other half could live, it wasn't some crazy experiment to better the gene pool, it was in his mind a matter of survival due to food shortage, and he apparently saved kids and whacked parents so it seems his guiding principle was children (and women?) first.

Kirk again flirts with a teenager, but this one at least is in the last year of her teens, and not the first, so it's not that creepy when she talks about his surging and throbbing power. It is creepy he's only doing it to trap her father, but I guess it balances out since she's only doing it to kill him...

As for Vulcan being conquered, I presume Spock's logical thought process upon hearing that went something like this: "This guy's about to get so pissed, by tomorrow morning he'll forget anything I said, so I shan't even bother correcting his obvious error." :vulcan:

Agreed that the premise needs help, but the actual content is so good. The exchanges between the big 3 are spectacular, the Kodos and Kirk scene is spectacular. Kirk's inner struggle is really well done. The Shakspeare allusions are all appropriate and not ham fisted. I think it's just brilliant once you get past the setup.

Re: eugenics - I've always assumed Kodos is supposed to be, in part, an allegory for one of the 75-year old Nazi secretaries that is eventually found in South America and tried.
 
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Does this episode make anyone else paranoid that somebody might have sprayed Windex in their milk?

I am looking forward to next week... the Romulans arrive!
And once again, it's about damn time! I stand by my resolution to experience these episodes as the viewers of 50 years ago did, but I'm looking forward to my next TOS rewatch, whenever it may be, being in production order!

What about DNA analysis, voice pattern, facial recognition, or even the good old fashioned fingerprint?
I try not to hold TOS accountable for not predicting advances from after its time. It's one thing to rationalize in-universe excuses, but one shouldn't hold it against a story that was a product of its time. I'm not sure where DNA analysis was at in 1966, but I'm sure that most people in the TV audience hadn't heard of it...and facial recognition software wouldn't have been a gleam in anyone's eye at that point. Also, they did do a voice pattern, but the match wasn't exact.

Even though the setup's iffy, the actual episode is really rather good. The slow build up and reveal of what Kodos is about, Kirk trying to uncover him, Spock and McCoy trying to uncover what Kirk is up to, return of Riley which is also welcome. Also, both Karidians are great in their roles and don't fall into overacting which is a danger when actors play actors ;)
I do think Ms. Ironside was guilty of that sin (though I cut her some slack because her character was cray-cray)...but yeah, regarding the story...this is one that I used to consider something of a snoozer, but I didn't used to appreciate how much was going on. There are multiple layers, with characters who normally work together not being on the same page--Kirk engages in a private investigation; Kirk's investigation is manipulated by the person he doesn't know is the murderer so she can get at him; We learn crucial details about what's going on from Spock and McCoy, who investigate the Captain's investigation; Kirk and Kodos fence, both unaware that Lenore is the killer; Kodos's monologues and in-story stage acting are full of double entendres about his past life, but he avoids openly admitting the truth until Lenore is revealed; Kodos overhearing Riley while on stage....

But how did Lenore kill Leighton when she was with Kirk all evening?

Leftover from Nazi times
Most likely...WWII was fresh in the minds of a lot of TV watchers and producers.

Because what Kodos actually did had nothing to do with eugenics, he killed half the population so the other half could live, it wasn't some crazy experiment to better the gene pool
But it was, as established in the dialogue...the reason for doing it was the disaster, but the method by which he did it was according to his personal standards. Presumably he used his beliefs about eugenics to decide which 4000 people should be weeded out of the population.

so it's not that creepy when she talks about his surging and throbbing power.
It's funny, though, how something that would have been considered audience-appropriate in its subtlety by the standards of the time is so laughably blatant in hindsight.

The Spock/McCoy scene--In some of these early beats, one gets the impression that McCoy was trying to befriend Spock. In my head canon, McCoy eventually started going tougher on Spock after his friendlier attempts at getting Spock to loosen up were met with a cold Vulcan shoulder. And what's with McCoy fidgeting with his shirt collar like he's adjusting a tie while getting ready for the play? Would have made more sense if he were wearing a dress uniform.

The phaser overload scene--Nice bit of continuity with "The Cage"/"The Menagerie"...and Kirk admirably observed protocol by going to Double Red Alert, rather than skipping straight to Triple-Dog Red Alert.
 
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