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5 Things Star Trek Fans Must Admit About The Film Franchise

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McCoy took less than two seconds to identify the Klingon spy in The Trouble with Tribble based soley on his internal arrangement.

Which means he knew damn well where all the organs should be and the key biological mechanisms the tricorder was showing him.

They just chose to make him forget everything he knew in TUC for "reasons".
 
I know. I'd just gotten so used to seeing it the other way.


What's that's supposed to mean? That's like implying that if both country A and country B have similar GNP/GDPs relative to their populations that they're somehow equally geopolitically relevant.

Except Chernobyl didn't end with some ridiculous Russian/Chinese/British/American conspiracy to continue the war. Seriously, "A Starfleet admiral and lieutenant, a Romulan ambassador, and a Klingon general..." sounds more like the opening line of a bad joke.

Under any scrutiny, the Romulans seem to be the only ones to really have a plausible agenda for the whole affair.

Both Chang/Cartwright's motive is utterly absurd: I want to keep fighting my enemies, so I'm going to commit treason and conspire with them. That's one giant shot glass of whiskey-tango-fox.

The film also presents an alternative motive for Cartwright: that is, the "mothballing of Starfleet." This ties into Meyer's determination of further militarizing Starfleet--or rather, making it a pseudo US Navy. This isn't about the old "is Starfleet a military?" argument. The truth is really somewhere in the middle.

However, the classic monolog pretty clearly states the Enterprise's mission; it says nothing about fighting Klingons. And, of course, there are plenty of people who laud TUC while they're standing in the "nuTrek isn't Gene's vision" line.

But that's all irrelevant, really, because, like Abrams, it was Meyer's film, and he was in well within his right to do whatever the hell he wanted.

The problem I have is the conceit that, even if Starfleet's primary function was the defense of Earth, that the only thing it had to defend it from was Klingons. I'm just about 100% sure that no single person in the US/British/etc. navies opened the newspaper on April 27, 1986 and said to him/herself, "Oh shit. I'm out of a job."

Then there's the idea that Praxis exploding would mean the immediate end of the Klingon Empire. For one thing, Klingons are marauders and conquerors. I doubt they'd be so dependent on one moon facility. None the less, in Star Trek terms, "Key energy production" means dilithium. And yet, later, the film goes on to show us another place Klingons get their dilithium.

No one could argue that the issue was the explosion wave itself cause irreparable damage the qu'nos system. But that was not at all indicated in the film, and, even if it were, that'd fall into the same "that's not how it works" science tin can as the magic blood. Not to mention, Meyer had already pulled that gag out of his shorts once.

Then there's the whole whodunnit plot itself. On the surface it seems so perfectly planned that it makes one wonder how four people who don't like each other very much could so meticulously coordinate and execute it. But on closer inspection, one finds that it's not so perfectly planned at all. In fact, it's dependent events progressing in very specific succession. If things didn't play out exactly as they do in the film, the whole conspiracy falls apart. There are simply way too many unknown variables. On their own, anyone seems pretty nitpicky: Kirk's log entry Valaris chooses to record just happens to be so damning; Burke and Samno being so willing participants; the foremost Xeno-biologist in the Federation not knowing anything about Klingon anatomy (as if he'd never seen one before); Martia. However, add them all up, and a pattern begins to form. And the whole deal with the phasers was pretty thin in a "it has to be this way because plot reasons" sort of way.

And, yes, all these things are easy to overlook in favor of the enjoyment of the film--which takes us right back (once again!) to square one.
I don't see what's implausible about an apocalyptic environmental disaster derailing the Klingon economy and that there's now a fork in the road between war and peace. This disaster has thrown both power blocs into turmoil and the political factions within them have to adjust to the new reality. I found that eminently plausible whilst I watched it. There's the need to defeat the reactionary camp sown from so many years of habitual violence. TUC keeps things fairly tight compared to IV or II. We can have discussions about the scope of Klingon space and whether it's plausible a moon would cause that much damage.....

But my objections don't rest on "in-universe plausibility".

I'm forgiving on those grounds. My objections are more to do with the deployment of cheap devices to defang moments of extreme tension, crudely ripping off earlier scenes from earlier films, underwriting some of the antagonists, clogging the screen with too many things going on, the result being that no one thing was done well and all within an ensemble of overweight FX and other objections of that sort. Stars Wars committed almost none of these errors and had the temperament to allow one scene to wrench the audience. I thought there was a simple genius to that.
 
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It has a get of jail by shape-shifter card, instead. Same difference, imo.
Not really. Pulling a vial out of your pocket, hey look, guys and suddenly Kirk goes from death! to having a relaxing snooze! If Kirk was dying from a terminal illness or something like that, I'd be more forgiving. It's a cartoon plot twist.

The shapeshifter is out to dupe Kirk and collect her reward. That's eminently plausible.
 
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I know. I'd just gotten so used to seeing it the other way.


What's that's supposed to mean? That's like implying that if both country A and country B have similar GNP/GDPs relative to their populations that they're somehow equally geopolitically relevant.

Except Chernobyl didn't end with some ridiculous Russian/Chinese/British/American conspiracy to continue the war. Seriously, "A Starfleet admiral and lieutenant, a Romulan ambassador, and a Klingon general..." sounds more like the opening line of a bad joke.

Under any scrutiny, the Romulans seem to be the only ones to really have a plausible agenda for the whole affair.

Both Chang/Cartwright's motive is utterly absurd: I want to keep fighting my enemies, so I'm going to commit treason and conspire with them. That's one giant shot glass of whiskey-tango-fox.

The film also presents an alternative motive for Cartwright: that is, the "mothballing of Starfleet." This ties into Meyer's determination of further militarizing Starfleet--or rather, making it a pseudo US Navy. This isn't about the old "is Starfleet a military?" argument. The truth is really somewhere in the middle.

However, the classic monolog pretty clearly states the Enterprise's mission; it says nothing about fighting Klingons. And, of course, there are plenty of people who laud TUC while they're standing in the "nuTrek isn't Gene's vision" line.

But that's all irrelevant, really, because, like Abrams, it was Meyer's film, and he was in well within his right to do whatever the hell he wanted.

The problem I have is the conceit that, even if Starfleet's primary function was the defense of Earth, that the only thing it had to defend it from was Klingons. I'm just about 100% sure that no single person in the US/British/etc. navies opened the newspaper on April 27, 1986 and said to him/herself, "Oh shit. I'm out of a job."

Then there's the idea that Praxis exploding would mean the immediate end of the Klingon Empire. For one thing, Klingons are marauders and conquerors. I doubt they'd be so dependent on one moon facility. None the less, in Star Trek terms, "Key energy production" means dilithium. And yet, later, the film goes on to show us another place Klingons get their dilithium.

No one could argue that the issue was the explosion wave itself cause irreparable damage the qu'nos system. But that was not at all indicated in the film, and, even if it were, that'd fall into the same "that's not how it works" science tin can as the magic blood. Not to mention, Meyer had already pulled that gag out of his shorts once.

Then there's the whole whodunnit plot itself. On the surface it seems so perfectly planned that it makes one wonder how four people who don't like each other very much could so meticulously coordinate and execute it. But on closer inspection, one finds that it's not so perfectly planned at all. In fact, it's dependent events progressing in very specific succession. If things didn't play out exactly as they do in the film, the whole conspiracy falls apart. There are simply way too many unknown variables. On their own, anyone seems pretty nitpicky: Kirk's log entry Valaris chooses to record just happens to be so damning; Burke and Samno being so willing participants; the foremost Xeno-biologist in the Federation not knowing anything about Klingon anatomy (as if he'd never seen one before); Martia. However, add them all up, and a pattern begins to form. And the whole deal with the phasers was pretty thin in a "it has to be this way because plot reasons" sort of way.

And, yes, all these things are easy to overlook in favor of the enjoyment of the film--which takes us right back (once again!) to square one.

Man. Seeing it all in one place like that. Hell. Well, hell. I'm going get up and go throw away my TUC DVD right now! :D ;)
 
The destruction of Praxis in the alternate history of Abramiverse did not result in the demise of the Klingon Empire. The Empire continued its expansion and was a threat to the Federation. (The shattered moon seen in the last Star Trek film was identified on a graphic as this moon. Furthermore, it was made clear in the same graphic that Qo'Nos had only one moon.)
 
The comics had s31 sabotaging it early. As for how it didn't seem such a big deal, in TUC there were certainly Klingons who thought they could keep going without it. Maybe they were right.

It always did seem odd that the Klingon Empire was so reliant on one moon. I mean, the collapse of the USSR didn't depend solely on Chernobyl.
 
TUC just happened to be on TV late last night, and I watched about the first hour. At the briefing at the start of the movie, Spock said the explosion of Praxis caused deadly pollution in the ozone of Kronos (at least he said, "pollution of their ozone," which I would think means the homeworld -- hence the Klingons are "dying") and the oxygen would be gone in fifty Earth years. The Klingons couldn't handle it themselves because of how many of their resources they had put into their military. So it wasn't the reliance on that one moon that put them in their predicament. It was what the explosion apparently did to the atmosphere of Kronos and their inability to deal with the emergency alone.
 
TUC just happened to be on TV late last night, and I watched about the first hour. At the briefing at the start of the movie, Spock said the explosion of Praxis caused deadly pollution in the ozone of Kronos (at least he said, "pollution of their ozone," which I would think means the homeworld -- hence the Klingons are "dying") and the oxygen would be gone in fifty Earth years. The Klingons couldn't handle it themselves because of how many of their resources they had put into their military. So it wasn't the reliance on that one moon that put them in their predicament. It was what the explosion apparently did to the atmosphere of Kronos and their inability to deal with the emergency alone.

Which really doesn't make any sense. Over the course of fifty years, they'd be able to move a lot of population off of Kronos. Also, their scientists could've came up a solution during those intervening years.

Still an entertaining movie to watch.
 
The deadly Trek tech pollution.

Still doesn't really address the 'whole Empire is now on one planet' issue. It makes even less sense than the loss of Vulcan and Romulus being such crippling blows for their species, because at least with them you could argue that they didn't have the opportunity to move a lot of their essentials (like the governing and cultural bodies) off world.
 
Slight of hand, some of it ham handed to be sure, to move the plot along has been part of Trek all along. I can forgive a lot if I am entertained. While a tight thoughtful story is great, and there are some in Trek's canon, that has never been a staple of any of the TV shows or movies.
 
Which really doesn't make any sense. Over the course of fifty years, they'd be able to move a lot of population off of Kronos. Also, their scientists could've came up a solution during those intervening years.

Still an entertaining movie to watch.
Or they realized they couldn't do it without cooperation or help from the Federation. I certainly don't believe they would attempt such a thing without some binding assurance from the Federation that they would not take advantage of them at their time of weakness (say ten years into the evacuation).

They may have also thought that Federation scientists may be more capable or likely to come up with a "blue matter" or something that could be introduced to the Klingon atmosphere and restore things. After all, the Federation came up with Genesis.

Then again, terra-forming is probably fairly common in the Klingon Empire and the Federation, so there could be some fairly simple modified way of purifying the Kronos atmosphere (but maybe not in fifty years with current Klingon technology).

Of course, when one has to rationalize something this much, it probably is a story problem. Still it's part of the fun of it all, whether it's TUC or any other Trek story. I WILL MAKE IT MAKE SENSE, DAMMIT! ;)
 
That should have been Picard's example of 'things we will never be able to answer' in The Royale.

Who cares that the movie didn't exist yet.
Not existing is no excuse for canon violations.
 
The destruction of Praxis in the alternate history of Abramiverse did not result in the demise of the Klingon Empire. The Empire continued its expansion and was a threat to the Federation. (The shattered moon seen in the last Star Trek film was identified on a graphic as this moon. Furthermore, it was made clear in the same graphic that Qo'Nos had only one moon.)
My takeaway was that THAT is why the Klingons were expanding so aggressively in ID. Their homeworld was fucked and was undergoing evacuation
 
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