Oh yay, ultimatums! This will go well. None of this will happen. Get over it. They may ignore the 32nd century stuff and they likely will ignore Section 31 but it no way will it be decanonized or deleted.
Again… really?
Oh yay, ultimatums! This will go well. None of this will happen. Get over it. They may ignore the 32nd century stuff and they likely will ignore Section 31 but it no way will it be decanonized or deleted.
Again… really?
Nuance.
That was an example of a "current issue" done properly in a very well written and captivating manner.
That’s because Gene’s ex-wife owned part of the royalties for TOS after the divorce. If TNG referenced the old show, she’d get paid, and Gene did whatever he could to get around that.
I doubt that because this has been the direction for the last decade yet you are here.
TOS had the subtlety of a sledgehammer to the face. The Enterprise crew was always right and showed everybody else the way to live their lifes properly even if it meant upending their society. I don't see any nuance in how they handled issues.
Like I said, you do you.
I agree that TOS was never subtle or nuanced, but the Enterprise crew - or at least, Kirk - were pretty frequently wrong, surely? That's one of the big things that distinguishes it from TNG.
In Gene Coon scripts, at least - Devil in the Dark, Arena, and Errand of Mercy all rely on Kirk's initial approach being wrong. Even in "Archons" it's not so much a case of Kirk being right and telling people how to live, more a case of him just being un-indoctrinated enough to fight Landru where the local resistance can't.
And then Kirk and crew would leave orbit while the planet they just destroyed the governing body of has to deal with the chaos and figure out what to do next. Over and over without end, amen.
But canon!! Why do you hate Star Trek???
This thread exploded today, I'm only halfway through the comments...
This. I love nostalgia when it is appropriate, but the neverending call backs with no solid foundations of their own, makes me wonder what the franchise of today can build off of when it is today's kids who are adults.
I have no desire for Legacy or Year One. The constant nostalgia mining makes me never want anything else regarding TOS or TNG. I'm burned out on it.
If the current stuff was deemed to be "non-canon" by the next creators/showrunners, I do wonder how the "CBS says" crowd would react.
Why? The shows themselves aren't going anywhere. Just how they "count". Even if they were deemed "non-canon" I imagine that new creatives would go over the material with a fine-toothed comb for anything they can use in the newer production.
This. I love nostalgia when it is appropriate, but the neverending call backs with no solid foundations of their own, makes me wonder what the franchise of today can build off of when it is today's kids who are adults.
I have no desire for Legacy or Year One. The constant nostalgia mining makes me never want anything else regarding TOS or TNG. I'm burned out on it.
If the current stuff was deemed to be "non-canon" by the next creators/showrunners, I do wonder how the "CBS says" crowd would react.
Why? The shows themselves aren't going anywhere. Just how they "count". Even if they were deemed "non-canon" I imagine that new creatives would go over the material with a fine-toothed comb for anything they can use in the newer production.
Your first day being a Trek fan?
Not sure this is true. A remake of "The Naked Time" was the second aired episode. The first season is littered with references to the original, they just weren't as obvious about it.
I am in agreement with that. In no way am I trying to be negative here, but in my opinion, it needs to rest for a while due to the poor writing that was in Discovery, Academy, and other newer shows.
Tell me you haven't seen the original Star Trek without telling me you haven't seen it.
You're trying to tell me things like "And the Children Shall Lead" and "Code of Honor" weren't shitted out by the universe fully-formed?!
I also think fan "hunger" helps a bit.... As they say, "absence makes the heart grow fonder." I think right now, fans are a bit cooked, divided, and over-saturated with what the last 8 years has provided. I think it's also very possible that the current creative team needs to be completely replaced, and new ideas and approaches need to be taken.
I'd like to see Star Trek come back after several years with a simpler, lower-budget approach to streaming TV with a more classic, basic premise (exploration and adventure aboard a starship with a crew of great characters) than to keep looking for the "next big gimmick premise" at $10M per episode.
It's that approach that has really run the ship aground I think.
Anytime something starts to fall off, the best solution is to get back to basics and execute those basics well. Trek needs to get back to it's basic roots, and badly.
I know! I know! So hard to believe.
Now or twenty years from now, it will come down to if they can find someone with a strong vision for 21st century Trek.
That's what I kind of mean. They didn't feel the need to prove their Trek connection; it just existed.
At this point, I do not believe they can.
