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30 Yrs/5 days later: The SW Holiday Special

I think if this was fully restored it wouldn't be quite as bad.

Well, okay, maybe it would, but half the reason I can't watch the thing is because of the crappy video and audio quality on every copy I've ever managed to track down.

Just restore it and make it a special feature on some future release.

And the Boba Fett cartoon rocked. If they ever get around to releasing the Droids in a season boxset, this BF cartoon should definitely be on it.
 
I think if this was fully restored it wouldn't be quite as bad.

Well, okay, maybe it would, but half the reason I can't watch the thing is because of the crappy video and audio quality on every copy I've ever managed to track down.

Well, keep in mind that that "crappy video quality" is from a video tape someone made in the late 70s and the special has never been released in any other form that that one, single, TV airing.

The special is horrible. Just. HORRIBLE. I mean, OK maybe variety shows were the "reality shows" of the 70s and all the rage but I'm not sure where the entertaining "variety" comes in SW:THS.

The lame, poorly coreographed bizzare unitard circus act? Jefferson Starship, Diannah Carrol? (:shudder: Wookie porn.)

The various comedy stylings of Harvey Korman? Where peole really that entertained by him playing a narcolepic robot building instructor, or the bizzare alien Julia Child?

The drugs in the 70s, obviously, were much better than the ones we have today.
 
I think if this was fully restored it wouldn't be quite as bad.

Well, okay, maybe it would, but half the reason I can't watch the thing is because of the crappy video and audio quality on every copy I've ever managed to track down.

I suspect that the low video quality is probably insulating you from the full magnitude of the horror. If you could see it clearly, madness might be the result... :evil:

And the Boba Fett cartoon rocked. If they ever get around to releasing the Droids in a season boxset, this BF cartoon should definitely be on it.

Yes, the cartoon was the one good part. Aside from the bizarre character designs.
 
I think if this was fully restored it wouldn't be quite as bad.

Well, okay, maybe it would, but half the reason I can't watch the thing is because of the crappy video and audio quality on every copy I've ever managed to track down.

I suspect that the low video quality is probably insulating you from the full magnitude of the horror. If you could see it clearly, madness might be the result... :evil:

And the Boba Fett cartoon rocked. If they ever get around to releasing the Droids in a season boxset, this BF cartoon should definitely be on it.

Yes, the cartoon was the one good part. Aside from the bizarre character designs.

And the planet made of pizza sauce.
 
Yes, the cartoon was the one good part. Aside from the bizarre character designs.

And the planet made of pizza sauce.

Looked more like strawberry gelatin to me. Anyway, I liked that planet; it was a very imaginative setting. Most alien planets on TV are just the hills around LA or Vancouver or maybe Vasquez Rocks. And the planets in the Star Wars movies were just familiar biomes stretched across entire worlds -- the desert planet, the ice planet, the cloud planet, the forest planet. The planet in the Boba Fett cartoon was a unique, original environment, and that's wonderful.
 
RubberHan.jpg


"Yo Han, buddy. Why the long face?"

I'm sorry. I just couldn't stop myself.

Was 15 when this aired. And yes, we did have a higher tolerance for cheese back in the day.
 
I think if this was fully restored it wouldn't be quite as bad.

Well, okay, maybe it would, but half the reason I can't watch the thing is because of the crappy video and audio quality on every copy I've ever managed to track down.

I suspect that the low video quality is probably insulating you from the full magnitude of the horror. If you could see it clearly, madness might be the result... :evil:
Indeed...in the '70s we were shielded by poor broadcast quality and the limitations of our antennae and TV sets....We've never seen the true horror of the Holiday Special, and it's best left that way.

Huh? No, it's from the movie. R2 did something that caused R5's "motivator" to fail, so that Owen had to settle for taking R2 along with 3PO. Although Wookieepedia says that the shot of R2 committing the sabotage was cut from later versions of the film:

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/R5-D4

This is the first time that I've heard that claim, and it seems to be unsubstantiated.

Which claim? That the shot of R2 doing something before R5's motivator blew out was there, or that it was later cut? Because I definitely remember seeing it.

That any footage of R2 doing anything to R5 was filmed.

Like I said, I saw it. It was ambiguous, but that was definitely the impression -- that R2 sent a signal of some sort that overloaded R5's motivator. That's been my interpretation of that scene for three decades now, since well before the movie got recut or retitled or modified to the extent it's been today.

Besides, doesn't it make sense? We know that R2 was on a mission. He had to find Obi-Wan, and being stuck on a Jawa sandcrawler wasn't where he needed to be. Throughout the whole first act of the movie, he was doing whatever he needed to do to deliver Leia's message, by hook or by crook. He stole the escape pod to get down to Tatooine, and once in the Lars' possession, he tricked Luke into removing his restraining bolt and then wandered off to find Obi-Wan. So I don't understand why you'd even be skeptical of the idea that he deliberately made sure that he was the astromech droid that got purchased instead of R5. Surely that's more consistent and less coincidental than R5 just conveniently happening to break down at exactly the time R2 needed him to break down.
Well, I saw the movie in the theater a couple of times in '78 (didn't catch it first-run) and a few more times in theatrical rereleases, read the novel, read the comic adaptation, had the record that presented an abridged audio version of the movie...and this is the first that I've ever heard of this. Wiki articles are limited by the people who contribute to them, and that one only vaguely alluded to the possibility of a cut scene based on the well-known poor edit of a close-up of R2 with R5 in the background after R5 had started to roll away. And there's a lot of info in that article that orginated from EU sources.

The first I'd heard of any of these R5 theories was in a supplement for the late '80s/early '90s WEG RPG that took the liberty of expanding upon the backgrounds of many minor characters. They put forth that R2 had explained his mission to R5, who then deliberatly triggered his own malfunction to ensure the success of R2's mission...and that was pushing things in my book.

Had the scene actually existed, I imagine that other early sources, such as the novelization and comic book adaptation--both of which were informed by early cuts of the movie and included scenes that didn't make it into the final theatrical version--would have included some hint of this scene.

The thing about Star Wars is that a lot of people, years after the fact, perpetuate myths based on memories that have apparently mixed with childhood perceptions and things that they were told or read of after the fact. There are people who swear that the "Episode IV: A New Hope" subtitle was in the original theatrical version of the film. Just last week, I stumbled upon a conversation between a geeky grocery store clerk and his friend regarding whether one should view the Star Wars films starting with Episode IV. When I jokingly offered that there was no Episode IV, just Star Wars and then Episode V: The Empire Strikes Back, he seriously offered something about how the original VHS release of TESB had "Episode II" in the subtitle. Now I saw TESB on its opening day in 1980 and was 10 years old at the time; that and various contemporary sources all had it as "Episode V" from the get-go...but I didn't argue with the kid, because I've found that in geek circles, arguing about Star Wars is like arguing about religion in general circles. It's just not worth the effort, people believe what they want to believe and take what they've come to believe very seriously.
 
Well, I saw the movie in the theater a couple of times in '78 (didn't catch it first-run) and a few more times in theatrical rereleases, read the novel, read the comic adaptation, had the record that presented an abridged audio version of the movie...and this is the first that I've ever heard of this. Wiki articles are limited by the people who contribute to them, and that one only vaguely alluded to the possibility of a cut scene based on the well-known poor edit of a close-up of R2 with R5 in the background after R5 had started to roll away. And there's a lot of info in that article that orginated from EU sources.
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The thing about Star Wars is that a lot of people, years after the fact, perpetuate myths based on memories that have apparently mixed with childhood perceptions and things that they were told or read of after the fact.

That's as may be, but it doesn't apply to me, because I'm not really a Star Wars fan. I followed the movies when they first came out, read some of the early novels, and collected the Marvel comics, but I haven't read any "EU" fiction more recent than 1992, back when the "EU" label hadn't even been coined yet (aside from the three Dark Horse comics telling alternate-history versions of episodes IV-VI, which I came across in the library once and was underwhelmed by). I haven't followed SW fandom or paid attention to any of the debates. Until this thread, I have never heard, read, or participated in any discussion of this scene. So my impression of it is not influenced by anything except my own memory. Of course it's possible that my memory is faulty, but if so, that's entirely my own error and not the result of any external influence.

...but I didn't argue with the kid, because I've found that in geek circles, arguing about Star Wars is like arguing about religion in general circles. It's just not worth the effort, people believe what they want to believe and take what they've come to believe very seriously.

I'm sure that's true, but it's got nothing to do with me, because I'm not a Star Wars fan and I have nothing invested in this. I'm just talking casually about my recollection of a scene in an old movie I saw a number of times when I was young. It means no more to me than that. So I don't appreciate the insinuation that I'm blinded by fanaticism.
 
^*sigh* I wasn't trying to insinuate that you're a fanatic...nor do I think that people with genuine religious beliefs are fanatics. (Do you?) But clearly you did think something of the film as a child if you saw it several times, and I can't argue rationally with a belief that you've carried since childhood about something that probably meant more to you than you're willing to admit now. Overall, your phantom scene is pretty similar to other memory-fueled myths like the subtitle examples that I cited. (And it occurs to me that unlike memories of the original theatrical release, the "Episode II" TESB myth could be easily disproven, since surely there are plenty of people out there who own the original VHS release.)
 
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