2x07 Preview

[Timo]

I'm fine with the GO7 thing. It sounds like a natural reaction to a threat to me.

Starfleet: "And lastly, Mr. President, one of our ships discovered a Class 1 Threat to Existence three days ago."
Prez: "Again? All right, Max, let's walk the walk. Can we keep this under wraps?"
Starfleet: "Not this time, Mr. President. The Ferengi saw it all."
Prez: "Then do your usual thing. Full quarantine, death penalty, the works. To be reevaluated after five years."
Starfleet: "Actually, Mr. President, ten years would be more appropriate this time. The analysis of th-"
Prez: "Fine. Here's my signature. And run this through the Committee for Drastic Measures, too. They'll be delighted to have one of these again. It's been, what, a full two years since the last one?"
Starfleet: "More or less, Mr. President."
Prez: "Did we kill anybody?"
Starfleet: "Only that Harry Mudd character, Mr. President."
Prez: "Again? What's with him and deadly red buttons labeled For The Love Of God Do Not Push?"
Starfleet: "Couldn't say, Mr. President."
Prez: "Anyway, good work, Max. The people need to see Starfleet stands for something, right? Give my best to the skipper."

Timo Saloniemi

 

[Jackson_Roykirk]

Whatever only Starfleet Command knows and the file doesn't even explain is the gray area for Discovery to explore.

Right, and as someone mentioned above, we don't know when starfleet enacted the rule that no ship should visit Talos Four.

We've all come to assume it came immediately after, and as a result of, the events of The Cage, but maybe we'll find out it was enacted later and for other reasons.

 

[Lord Garth]

Crazy thought I had just now. This is pretty wild.

Spoiler

What if the Talosians were at war with the Red Angels? Given the scale of what a war like that might've been, it might be possible that the Federation would want an extreme penalty for ever visiting Talos IV.

To those who clicked on the Spoiler Tag, what do you think?

 

[Nerys Myk]

Crazy thought I had just now. This is pretty wild.

Spoiler

What if the Talosians were at war with the Red Angels? Given the scale of what a war like that might've been, it might be possible that the Federation would want an extreme penalty for ever visiting Talos IV.

Spoiler

The Talosians are kind of slackers. I don't see them fighting a war,

 

[Lord Garth]

Spoiler

The Talosians are kind of slackers. I don't see them fighting a war,

Spoiler

They are now but Vina said due to centuries of war, the planet was now beginning to be able to support life again.

 

[DaveyNY]

Why the heck are you using spoiler tags in a thread about an episode we haven't even seen yet.

It's ALL Speculation.

Anybody who doesn't want to know anything about the next episode, is very likely not going to even come into this thread as It Does Have The PREVIEW ATTACHED.


Also, the talk about the Talosians has been all over this forum without Spoiler Tags since Kurtzman said it.

 

[Succubint]

Guys, she's walking alone with Amanda in the preview, do you really think she's gonna suddenly convince Discovery to go to Talos IV? It's more likely she's doing what the writers had her say she would do at the end of the latest episode, which is return to Vulcan.

 

[Jackson_Roykirk]

... It's more likely she's doing what the writers had her say she would do at the end of the latest episode, which is return to Vulcan.

Which might also be where Spock is currently hanging out.

 

[DaveyNY]

Which might also be where Spock is currently hanging out.

I like the speculation that Section-31 already has him.

It's kinda strange that Georgieu just happen to be the one the Discovery finds flying Spock's shuttle.
(why didn't Pike or Michael ask more questions and be a bit more suspicious)

Plus, do we really know that the preview scene of him attacking those folks in the padded cell took place at Starbase-5?
It could just as easily be him breaking out of a Section-31 cell.
Also, we did see him on a stretcher being taken somewhere and he looked drugged.
(no need for that if he voluntarily went to the hospital)

And according to Pike, Spock did have himself committed Voluntarily, there would be no reason for him to attack anybody at Starbase-5 to leave.
That's not how it works, he can sign himself out anytime he wants.
(I know this because I've worked in the Psych units at the hospital)

It's all very suspicious...

 

[Timo]

It's kinda strange that Georgieu just happen to be the one the Discovery finds flying Spock's shuttle.

So... which one was piloting the shuttle when its past drew our heroes to the Sphere Alien, which in turn was crucial in making the Kaminar adventure happen? Spock? Or Georgiou?

(why didn't Pike or Michael ask more questions and be a bit more suspicious)

Well, they could count on getting no answers from S31. And it's not as if being more suspicious would be even theoretically possible.

Plus, do we really know that the preview scene of him attacking those folks in the padded cell took place at Starbase-5? It could just as easily be him breaking out of a Section-31 cell.

We could do a hair growth analysis and decide whether Spock is just those two "shore leave" months into his hipster period, or more...

Also, we did see him on a stretcher being taken somewhere and he looked drugged.
(no need for that if he voluntarily went to the hospital)

The corridors through which he was being carted had display panels showing the shape of the S31 starship, FWIW.

Timo Saloniemi

 

[Gov Kodos]

Spoiler

They are now but Vina said due to centuries of war, the planet was now beginning to be able to support life again.

The wars on Talos were a long time ago but doesn't say how long the conflict(s) lasted. I don't think they're the warlike type, anymore, either.

The transcript says of the Talosians:
http://www.chakoteya.net/StarTrek/1.htm

PIKE: Did they ever live on the surface of this planet? Why did they go underground?
VINA: War, thousands of centuries ago.
PIKE: That's why it's so barren up there?
VINA; The planet's only now becoming able to support life again.

More likely, the Red Angels appear in the Talos system, Pike recounts what happened to him, the latest Red Angel thing is solved, and then the grateful Talosians offer Pike a home anytime which is what Spock takes them up on in TOS.

 

[Timo]

Yup, two things wrong with the idea that the Talosians fought big time with (or as) the Red Angels in the recent past:

1) the "thousands of centuries ago" bit
2) the idea that the planet would be rendered lifeless for a full two or three years doesn't exactly match the spirit of Vina's statement, either!

Timo Saloniemi

 

[Lord Garth]

The wars on Talos were a long time ago but doesn't say how long the conflict(s) lasted. I don't think they're the warlike type, anymore, either.

The transcript says of the Talosians:
http://www.chakoteya.net/StarTrek/1.htm

PIKE: Did they ever live on the surface of this planet? Why did they go underground?
VINA: War, thousands of centuries ago.
PIKE: That's why it's so barren up there?
VINA; The planet's only now becoming able to support life again.

More likely, the Red Angels appear in the Talos system, Pike recounts what happened to him, the latest Red Angel thing is solved, and then the grateful Talosians offer Pike a home anytime which is what Spock takes them up on in TOS.

If the Red Angel is from the future, then whoever it is would know the fate of Discovery's Captain, which would bring them to Talos IV. That makes sense.

Earlier though, before I became convinced the Red Angel might be from the future, I figured maybe Red Angels were who the Talosians were at war with thousands of centuries ago. I don't know, we don't know how long the war was, but I bolded "now" when Nerys Myk pointed out they wouldn't be involved in a war, because I knew at least that it was long ago nonetheless.

On another note, I'm glad that another poster with a TOS Username is referring back to that site for transcripts. It's a great resource.

 

[Gov Kodos]

If the Red Angel is from the future, then whoever it is would know the fate of Discovery's Captain, which would bring them to Talos IV. That makes sense.

Earlier though, before I became convinced the Red Angel might be from the future, I figured maybe Red Angels were who the Talosians were at war with thousands of centuries ago. I don't know, we don't know how long the war was, but I bolded "now" when Nerys Myk pointed out they want start a war, because I knew at least that it was long ago nonetheless.

On another note, I'm glad that another poster with a TOS Username is referring back to that site for transcripts. It's a great resource.

Obviously, it can't be ruled out the Red Angels and Talosian had been at war (except by the writers, of course) but that would seem farfetched because the Talosians really aren't all that important to the story, I don't think. I guess they might have been attacked in their past by the Red Angels and Star Fleet puts Gen Order 7 on the books as a means to protect the Talosians from further interference? I don't expect anything like that but we'll see.

We will see Number One back at least one more time, maybe more. I would expect some Talos IV scenes.

(Asked by another interviewer) Will we see Number One in several episodes?
Romijn: Yes. But I can’t be more specific than that, I’m so sorry!
https://trekmovie.com/2019/01/19/in...ber-one-knows-her-sht-on-star-trek-discovery/

We've got to get shouting Spock at least once. Maybe, his sister's influence was why he was so emotional back in the old days with Pike?

I like that site, especially for TOS. I saw those episodes a lot, sometimes too much so it's a good corrective to misremembering episodes from memory.

From one maniac to another

 

[Visitor1982]

Number One will be seen again on the Enterprise bridge, at least.

 

[Galaxy]

Right, and as someone mentioned above, we don't know when starfleet enacted the rule that no ship should visit Talos Four.

We've all come to assume it came immediately after, and as a result of, the events of The Cage, but maybe we'll find out it was enacted later and for other reasons.

If one needed to park a starship for 1000 years without anyone finding it, then the Talos system is actually a good idea. Their mind raping ability is better then any cloaking device. If Discovery's survival is essential to the Federation that might necessitate desperate measures.

As to why the Talosians would partake in this charade? Well maybe their future also depends on Discovery surviving. Maybe "future black guy" (I forgot his name) was meant to find the ship.

 

[DaveyNY]

If one needed to park a starship for 1000 years without anyone finding it, then the Talos system is actually a good idea. Their mind raping ability is better then any cloaking device. If Discovery's survival is essential to the Federation that might necessitate desperate measures.

As to why the Talosians would partake in this charade? Well maybe their future also depends on Discovery surviving. Maybe "future black guy" (I forgot his name) was meant to find the ship.

Craft.

 

[Campe]

Vulcan it is! Perhaps Talos will come later.

 

[DaveyNY]

Vulcan it is! Perhaps Talos will come later.

So Amanda has found Spock and brought him back to Vulcan?

 

[Tuskin38]

Or maybe he went back on his own.