25th century ranks

[Kamen Rider Blade]

Miles Obrien is a non-com, Sergey Rozhenko was a non-com on the Intrepid, he exclaimed in "Family" "Imagine,an old enlisted man like me raising an officer!"

The JemHadar identified Obrien as "chief petty officer or what starfleet refers to as a "noncom""

In "Valiant" Cadet Collins introduced herself as "Acting chief petty officer"

You're just ignoring it because it doesn't fit your narrative

I know every single one of those references, doesn't mean that there are that many portrayls or references of "Non-Com's | Enlisted".

The shows are pretty much focusing on Officers for everything.

How many times does the show reference "StarFleet Officers" for nearly everything vs how many times do they mention "Non-Commissioned Officer's" or "Enlisted"?

It should be a pretty wide gap between the two.

 

[Tuskin38]

Well, the Jem'hadar considered O'Brien a priority target because he was a non-com and had a lot of experience.

 

[Shamrock Holmes]

I know every single one of those references, doesn't mean that there are that many portrayls or references of "Non-Com's | Enlisted".

The shows are pretty much focusing on Officers for everything.

How many times does the show reference "StarFleet Officers" for nearly everything vs how many times do they mention "Non-Commissioned Officer's" or "Enlisted"?

It should be a pretty wide gap between the two.

Well, about 90% of the former Maquis crewmembers ranked as less than an Ensign for example (the silver bar with a single black slash on it), and I'm pretty sure that every named engineers -- and a decent percentage of the extras -- Starfleet engineer that appeared on Deep Space Nine (other than Cadet Ensign Parton of the Valiant)

 

[Kamen Rider Blade]

Well, about 90% of the former Maquis crewmembers ranked as less than an Ensign for example (the silver bar with a single black slash on it).

Where'd you get that stat from?

Well, the Jem'hadar considered O'Brien a priority target because he was a non-com and had a lot of experience.

More like he's the Chief Engineer.
He wasn't just a "Ordinary Engineer", he was the "Chief of Engineering" and had more Engineering experience than the rest of his staff.

That makes him a HVT (High Value Target) automatically.

Same with the Chief Medical Officer, those become HVT's in combat.

 

[Shamrock Holmes]

Where'd you get that stat from?

I might be off by a few points, but we know that there were about forty Maquis on Voyager, and less than a handful (Chakotay, Torres, Ayala, Seska (maybe, she was referred to as Ensign in dialogue but wore sub-Ensign insignia) and Fitzpatrick) wore anything other than the "crewman" insignia or none at all (though some of these are probably Starfleet regulars)

 

[Racefuel]

I might be off by a few points, but we know that there were about forty Maquis on Voyager, and less than a handful (Chakotay, Torres, Ayala, Seska (maybe, she was referred to as Ensign in dialogue but wore sub-Ensign insignia) and Fitzpatrick) wore anything other than the "crewman" insignia or none at all (though some of these are probably Starfleet regulars)

And it is worth noting that Chakotay was already Starfleet, having taught at the Advanced Tactical School at the Academy (and Ro being one of his students).

Torres was very nearly commissioned also

 

[The Wormhole]

Where'd you get that stat from?

Voyager episode Parallax seems to imply that at that point, Chakotay aside, all the Maquis crew were considered non-coms, as Janeway even requests a list of Maquis personnel from Chakotay he feels should be given officer commissions.

 

[Tuskin38]

More like he's the Chief Engineer.
He wasn't just a "Ordinary Engineer", he was the "Chief of Engineering" and had more Engineering experience than the rest of his staff.

That makes him a HVT (High Value Target) automatically.

Same with the Chief Medical Officer, those become HVT's in combat.

The Jem'hadar specifically single him out as a non-com.

 

[Kamen Rider Blade]

The Jem'hadar specifically single him out as a non-com.

Yes, but beyond the title status, what makes Mile O'Brien special?

 

[Tuskin38]

Yes, but beyond the title status, what makes Mile O'Brien special?

They said being a non-com made him more experienced.

 

[Racefuel]

IRL Non-Coms generally are valued as they have more extensive 1:1 interactions with their subordinates than officers.

 

[Kamen Rider Blade]

They said being a non-com made him more experienced.

I don't think it's the non-com title that makes him more experienced.

It's the engineering work he's been constantly doing on DS9 that makes him experienced.

 

[fireproof78]

Non-Coms are extremely valuable. Any good officer listens to their non-coms.

 

[dswynne1]

Kirk was not intended to retain command of Enterprise, he was just meant to temporarily displace Decker for the V'ger crisis.
Previously he was Chief of Starfleet Operations, which is a flag position, thus he retained his admiralship presumably to resume the role.

Granted, they gave Decker a "temporary grade reduction"..for no real reason.

Yes, I know the plot of TMP. Just saying that I wished that Kirk held the rank of "Commodore", so that he could have still be in the field as a starship commander, the same way Commodore Decker was in "Doomsday Machine" (TOS).

 

[The Wormhole]

I don't think it's the non-com title that makes him more experienced.

It's the engineering work he's been constantly doing on DS9 that makes him experienced.

It was because because the Jem'Hadar equated being a non-com with being experienced that thought O'Brien was dangerous, they didn't even know he was an engineer at the time, just that he could be an engineer or security officer based on his uniform.

The relevant dialogue:

GORAN'AGAR: Why were you in this star system?
BASHIR: We picked up a magneton pulse. We thought there might be a ship in trouble, so we altered our course to
GORAN'AGAR: Return to the ship. Put a damping field on our warp engine. Human. Gold uniform indicates specialty in Security or Engineering. Rank, chief petty officer. You are what Starfleet refers to as a noncom.
O'BRIEN: That's right.
GORAN'AGAR: You must have a great deal of experience.
O'BRIEN: I've been around.
GORAN'AGAR: That makes you a priority target. We will kill you first. Human, rank of lieutenant with a specialty in the sciences.
BASHIR: Doctor, actually.
ARAK'TARAL: Science and medical officers are low priority targets. I submit we execute this one and use the other in a tactical exercise.

Indeed, that exchange makes it sound like they were hoping he was a security officer, or at least a tactical specialist rather than believing him to be an engineer

 

[Kamen Rider Blade]

Indeed, that exchange makes it sound like they were hoping he was a security officer, or at least a tactical specialist rather than believing him to be an engineer

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