25-year-old woman beats up her 29-year-old boyfriend and he dies as a

[Flying Spaghetti Monster]

She punched him, got on top of him, and he could not breathe

Now, I hope they throw the book at her. If the gender roles were reversed, he'd get the book thrown at him

 

[Aurian]

Re: 25-year-old woman beats up her 29-year-old boyfriend and he dies a

he dies as a...?

 

[Hermiod]

Re: 25-year-old woman beats up her 29-year-old boyfriend and he dies a

It comes to something when even I don't think this is anything to do with gender. It's straight up manslaughter.

 

[Pingfah]

Re: 25-year-old woman beats up her 29-year-old boyfriend and he dies a

^ Quite, gender roles are not really the point. However, from the facts presented in that article it's pretty impossible to say what it is.

Nothing one could draw a conclusion from there, could be murder, manslaughter or self defence, but the OP seems to have already tried and convicted.

 

[Hermiod]

Re: 25-year-old woman beats up her 29-year-old boyfriend and he dies a

^ Quite, gender roles are not really the point. However, from the facts presented in that article it's pretty impossible to say what it is.

Nothing one could draw a conclusion from there, could be murder, manslaughter or self defence, but the OP seems to have already tried and convicted.

Sure, my usual rule about trial and conviction in a court of law before passing judgement still applies. There will be those to jump on this and insist that this was a deliberate act of female on male violence. There will also be those who jump on this and insist she must have done it in self defence. The article, however, supports neither theory.

 

[Locutus of Bored]

Re: 25-year-old woman beats up her 29-year-old boyfriend and he dies a

She punched him, got on top of him, and he could not breathe

Now, I hope they throw the book at her. If the gender roles were reversed, he'd get the book thrown at him

Could you possibly have chosen a case with less available information to launch a crusade on? Here's a little bit more, but that's about all I can find at this point:

Authorities said the couple had been drinking and arguing all day Friday at their home on East 79th Street. The fight later turned physical. Police said Mia Landingham, 25, punched Mikal Middleton Bey, 29, in the face.

Police said he then tried to hold her down. She pushed him to the ground and got on top of him. He told her he could not breathe. She called 911 at 5:22 a.m.

Police said there were no prior domestic violence reports on file on the couple.

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The death seems like an unintentional consequence of their drunken fight to me from the limited information presented here. So, while I agree that some form of punishment is necessary, is "throwing the book at her" in order to fulfill some real or imagined gender disparity really the answer? Is making a point by sending this woman to prison for so long that her kids effectively lose both parents the best option?

Of course, that depends on things which we don't have access to yet, like whether she's regretful of her actions and willing to take steps (like getting in a treatment program) to deal with her drinking and anger issues.

 

[Brent]

Re: 25-year-old woman beats up her 29-year-old boyfriend and he dies a

Was she cute?

 

[Hermiod]

Re: 25-year-old woman beats up her 29-year-old boyfriend and he dies a

Regardless of however much she'd had to drink that day (and, of course, assuming the facts are as presented), this is still very much a case of manslaughter.

Whether the defendant has children or not is entirely irrelevant.

 

[Roshi]

Re: 25-year-old woman beats up her 29-year-old boyfriend and he dies a

he dies as a...?

poor bastard?

weasle?

dumbass?

pimp who bitch slapped too much?

 

[All Seeing Eye]

Re: 25-year-old woman beats up her 29-year-old boyfriend and he dies a

She should be punished for manslaughter. That's what it is afterall.

 

[Brent]

Re: 25-year-old woman beats up her 29-year-old boyfriend and he dies a

Womenslaughter... Manslaughter is sexist

 

[Locutus of Bored]

Re: 25-year-old woman beats up her 29-year-old boyfriend and he dies a

Regardless of however much she'd had to drink that day (and, of course, assuming the facts are as presented), this is still very much a case of manslaughter.

Point out where I said otherwise. Where the drinking and her intent comes in is in what type of manslaughter she is charged with.

Whether the defendant has children or not is entirely irrelevant.

It should not be the only or even the primary factor taken under consideration, but it absolutely should be relevant in terms of sentencing given the nature of the crime and the apparent lack of a similar criminal history of the woman in question. And I would say that for a man under similar circumstances as well. There are other victims to consider here, namely the kids. To remove them from the equation completely is to ignore the very meaning of the word justice.

[edit] Hmmm, now the article has been updated and doesn't mention anything about the two kids. But the version I saw when looking the story up on Google which I quoted from above did. Ah, here it is:
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CLEVELAND — Mia Landingham, 25, of East 79th Street, was arrested after her boyfriend stopped breathing and died, after they fought early Saturday.

Police said Mikal Middleton, 29, may have been asphyxiated. Landingham called 9-1-1 at 5:22 a.m. Saturday, after Middleton stopped breathing.

She had been drinking all day and the two argued, a police spokeswoman said. Landingham punched him in the face and he grabbed her. She pushed him to the ground and got on top of him. When she got off, he was not breathing. Middleton was pronounced dead at MetroHealth Medical Center at 5:46 a.m.

Two children, 6 and 4, were taken from the home and given to other family members. They were not injured. Police have no prior reports of domestic violence involving the couple.
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[Hermiod]

Re: 25-year-old woman beats up her 29-year-old boyfriend and he dies a

Point out where I said otherwise. Where the drinking and her intent comes in is in what type of manslaughter she is charged with.

Intent is the only thing that distinguishes this between manslaughter and murder. Her alcohol consumption that day is irrelevant, it doesn't come in to it at all.

It should not be the only or even the primary factor taken under consideration, but it absolutely should be relevant in terms of sentencing given the nature of the crime and the apparent lack of a similar criminal history of the woman in question. And I would say that for a man under similar circumstances as well. There are other victims to consider here, namely the kids. To remove them from the equation completely is to ignore the very meaning of the word justice.

I would suggest that, if there are even children involved here (I'm really not sure at this point), the person who killed their father may not be the best person to raise them.

I never said you were basing anything on the respective genders of the people involved. I'm not either.

 

[All Seeing Eye]

Re: 25-year-old woman beats up her 29-year-old boyfriend and he dies a

Womenslaughter... Manslaughter is sexist

It's the man who was slaughtered.

 

[Scout101]

Re: 25-year-old woman beats up her 29-year-old boyfriend and he dies a

The death seems like an unintentional consequence of their drunken fight to me from the limited information presented here. So, while I agree that some form of punishment is necessary, is "throwing the book at her" in order to fulfill some real or imagined gender disparity really the answer?

If the boyfriend killed the girlfriend instead, would we even be asking the question? I doubt it.

Is making a point by sending this woman to prison for so long that her kids effectively lose both parents the best option?

Again, if the father killed the mother instead, would he be considered the best option to raise them? Seems like they're gonna live elsewhere regardless of the outcome here.

Of course, that depends on things which we don't have access to yet, like whether she's regretful of her actions and willing to take steps (like getting in a treatment program) to deal with her drinking and anger issues.

Suspect that most guys that kill their wife/gf regret it at some point or other, but taking an anger management class doesn't make it better.

Only reason they haven't already locked her up for a nice long time is because the gender roles are reversed. A guy in the same situation wouldn't stand a chance...

 

[FrontLine]

Re: 25-year-old woman beats up her 29-year-old boyfriend and he dies a

The death seems like an unintentional consequence of their drunken fight to me from the limited information presented here. So, while I agree that some form of punishment is necessary, is "throwing the book at her" in order to fulfill some real or imagined gender disparity really the answer?

If the boyfriend killed the girlfriend instead, would we even be asking the question? I doubt it.

Is making a point by sending this woman to prison for so long that her kids effectively lose both parents the best option?

Again, if the father killed the mother instead, would he be considered the best option to raise them? Seems like they're gonna live elsewhere regardless of the outcome here.

Of course, that depends on things which we don't have access to yet, like whether she's regretful of her actions and willing to take steps (like getting in a treatment program) to deal with her drinking and anger issues.

Suspect that most guys that kill their wife/gf regret it at some point or other, but taking an anger management class doesn't make it better.

Only reason they haven't already locked her up for a nice long time is because the gender roles are reversed. A guy in the same situation wouldn't stand a chance...

QFT

 

[Flying Spaghetti Monster]

Re: 25-year-old woman beats up her 29-year-old boyfriend and he dies a

Oh, just so you know, the missing word from the topic was

"died as a result"

 

[Roshi]

Re: 25-year-old woman beats up her 29-year-old boyfriend and he dies a

Oh, just so you know, the missing word from the topic was

"died as a result"

Damn! It was "result"!!! I was this close!

 

[JuanBolio]

Re: 25-year-old woman beats up her 29-year-old boyfriend and he dies a

2nd degree murder.

 

[sidious618]

Re: 25-year-old woman beats up her 29-year-old boyfriend and he dies a

The death seems like an unintentional consequence of their drunken fight to me from the limited information presented here. So, while I agree that some form of punishment is necessary, is "throwing the book at her" in order to fulfill some real or imagined gender disparity really the answer?

If the boyfriend killed the girlfriend instead, would we even be asking the question? I doubt it.

Is making a point by sending this woman to prison for so long that her kids effectively lose both parents the best option?

Again, if the father killed the mother instead, would he be considered the best option to raise them? Seems like they're gonna live elsewhere regardless of the outcome here.

Of course, that depends on things which we don't have access to yet, like whether she's regretful of her actions and willing to take steps (like getting in a treatment program) to deal with her drinking and anger issues.

Suspect that most guys that kill their wife/gf regret it at some point or other, but taking an anger management class doesn't make it better.

Only reason they haven't already locked her up for a nice long time is because the gender roles are reversed. A guy in the same situation wouldn't stand a chance...

I gotta agree with Scout here.