You know, all of this bullshit should've been happening several episodes ago when were wasting time with Dana's bullshit and Jack following Renee alll night in a car.
24: Day 8 "9:00AM - 10:00AM": Discussion and Spoilers
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He had a 24 minute quickie in the last episode.
Yeah, it's a shame that 3/4 of the way in, the show FINALLY hits it's stride and resembles 24 of old.
I voted Excellent, mainly because of the various scenes that were really, really good, and Kiefer's acting, which was topnotch in this one.
"Peed?"
"I'm a grandfather with a history of medical problems! What the hell do you expect?"
Kiefer is taking Renee's death hard. He got kicked out of an NYC strip club a few days ago. Maybe Taylor should have proposed that Jack visit the old red light district.
"Prostitutes, Mr. Bauer. I'm talking about prostitutes!"
He had a 24 minute quickie in the last episode.
Hmmm, 24 minute quickie, isn't that a bit of an oxymoron?
Hey, he's a grandpa. Give the poor guy a fuckin' break.
He had a 24 minute quickie in the last episode.
Hmmm, 24 minute quickie, isn't that a bit of an oxymoron?
For Jack, that's a quicky.
"I'm sorry baby, it's been a while guess I was just too excited. We can just cuddle, let me get something to drink first, stay here. Don't get shot or anything while I'm gone!"
I was just thinkinkg...we saw Das Father brought before a judge. What the hell must these judges think when they read the reports about the crimes these guys CTU brings in have committed?
I'd like to think that Taylor is playing her own game to defeat the Russians but she's never been portrayed as anything other than terribley naive. She is so straightlaced she threw her daughter in jail for murdering a traitorous pieces of shit like Jonas Hodges but now is covering up far more hidious crimes.
Why wouldn't they keep Dana in the super secure (and weirdly unnecessarily futuristic) interrogation cell? Yea, let's move her and put her out in the open. Sounds like a plan!
BTW, there was only two ways this episode was ending when Jack got on that elevator. Elevator hits a level and the doors open and the guards are unconscious or Jack hijacks the helicopter.
BTW, there was only two ways this episode was ending when Jack got on that elevator. Elevator hits a level and the doors open and the guards are unconscious or Jack hijacks the helicopter.
Excellent
Gregory Itzin was awesome as always.
Gregory Itzin was awesome as always.
Guys, it's been fun. Six more of these to go. I'll see most of you on Friday for our other weekly laughfest, Smallville.
I just wished I lived in another time zone.
Good old Logan. His scene with Taylor was one of the best of the season. She had no chance against Logan's Jedi mind powers:
You can make this world a better place.
Great episode and I believe, not a single weapons discharge was made.
You can make this world a better place.
Great episode and I believe, not a single weapons discharge was made.
Good episode. Jack's great again. Renee dying was fucking stupid. I think it would have been better to seriously injure her, taking her out of play until the very end of the season. Jack's lost enough over the years without this bullshit.
And Taylor's not naive, she's fucking retarded. The Russians committed acts of war against both the US and their IRK ally. They clearly have no intention of abiding by the peace accord and will undermine it again before the ink is dry, but let's get into bed with them so Taylor can write "Bringer of Middle East Peace (Not!)" on her resume. Another Pres throws an ally under the bus on the flimsiest of assurances. Weak.
Course, just a few hours ago, she was willing to sacrifice tens of thousands of Americans for a chance at signing a piece of paper with Hassan, so I guess this follows straight from that.
As for Logan's argument, it was only true in that this is her last chance to sign a peace accord. Someone else, sometime in the future, could make that peace accord a reality and not just a worthless piece of paper signed in blood.
What she should be doing is cementing a joint US/IRK led coalition of Western, Eastern and Middle Eastern nations to take down the thoroughly corrupt Russian government. Enough of this proxy Cold War bullshit. Cripple Russia with complete blockade and sanctions up the ass and back an internal opposition takeover. Even the Chinese would be down with this, since they were angling to expand at Russia's expense two seasons ago.
Then quietly throw Logan to Jack.
And Taylor's not naive, she's fucking retarded. The Russians committed acts of war against both the US and their IRK ally. They clearly have no intention of abiding by the peace accord and will undermine it again before the ink is dry, but let's get into bed with them so Taylor can write "Bringer of Middle East Peace (Not!)" on her resume. Another Pres throws an ally under the bus on the flimsiest of assurances. Weak.
Course, just a few hours ago, she was willing to sacrifice tens of thousands of Americans for a chance at signing a piece of paper with Hassan, so I guess this follows straight from that.
As for Logan's argument, it was only true in that this is her last chance to sign a peace accord. Someone else, sometime in the future, could make that peace accord a reality and not just a worthless piece of paper signed in blood.
What she should be doing is cementing a joint US/IRK led coalition of Western, Eastern and Middle Eastern nations to take down the thoroughly corrupt Russian government. Enough of this proxy Cold War bullshit. Cripple Russia with complete blockade and sanctions up the ass and back an internal opposition takeover. Even the Chinese would be down with this, since they were angling to expand at Russia's expense two seasons ago.
Then quietly throw Logan to Jack.
I was hoping they'd redeem Taylor and she showed some positive signs this season but she is an awful president and the United States of 24 need to vote her out of office. I'm not going to knock her too much for not handing over Hassan because I never would have expected them not to have set off the dirty bomb. That being said, she's consistenly proven the past two season that she will sacrifice thousands of American lives. Add to that her inability to hire and manage her staff and you are looking at a terrible president. I'm sure that's not the view of the show's writers but how can you not come to that conclusion. She is getting manipulated by everybody, including a man everyone knows she shouldn't trust.
Then there's former President Noah Daniels, who we've learned pardoned Logan and last season we learned he used to hang out with Jonas Hodges and he fucked up the Sangala situation. How the hell wasn't this guy literally run out of town on a rail? 24 hasn't had a good president since the first Palmer.
Then there's Ethan, who I like and made some sense tonight. He apparently got Jack's blood because he's on his feet less than five hours since he had a hearth attack...I'm sorry, a cardiac incident. He keeps harping on Taylor for trusting Logan when he was the one who (very quickly) brought him up to her in the first place.
Ethan is the voice of reason
Then there's former President Noah Daniels, who we've learned pardoned Logan and last season we learned he used to hang out with Jonas Hodges and he fucked up the Sangala situation. How the hell wasn't this guy literally run out of town on a rail? 24 hasn't had a good president since the first Palmer.
Then there's Ethan, who I like and made some sense tonight. He apparently got Jack's blood because he's on his feet less than five hours since he had a hearth attack...I'm sorry, a cardiac incident. He keeps harping on Taylor for trusting Logan when he was the one who (very quickly) brought him up to her in the first place.
Ethan is the voice of reason
Bazhaev should be more scared of his wife than the Russians. She just found out what happened to their two sons.
My idea for the fate of Logan...he makes a quick escape into his limo. He asks the driver to take him to the airport so he can escape. When he realizes the driver is going the wrong way, he yells at him. The drives rolls down the limo window and reveals himself to be Aaron Pierce. So long, Logan.
My idea for the fate of Logan...he makes a quick escape into his limo. He asks the driver to take him to the airport so he can escape. When he realizes the driver is going the wrong way, he yells at him. The drives rolls down the limo window and reveals himself to be Aaron Pierce. So long, Logan.
Great episode. A little annoyed that once again Jack has gone rogue, but I will overlook it seeing as though ever since the EMP went off, 24 has been hitting its stride and the acting in this episode was top notch. Including, Mary Lynn, for portraying the conflicted Chloe quite well. Her anguish at seeing Jack hijack the helicopter was well done. Does she help Jack or does his actions put an end to one of the longest friendships Jack has had?
Feh, this show has become even more absurd than it usually is. The President is being written as an inconsistent moron, just so Jack can look good.
She's flip-flopped from being absurdly insistent on the moral high ground even when the political fallout is sure to doom her, to not being insistent on the moral high ground in a situation where the expedient approach isn't going to work and, if it gets out, the political fallout is sure to doom her. (And there's no way anyone who's that politically tone deaf would make it all the way to the White House in the first place.)
The Russians sign a treaty, so what? Obviously they will turn right around and sabotage it. In the meantime, the POTUS/Commander in Chief is covering up an ACT OF WAR against her nation. Good lord, if that gets out, it's grounds for impeachment or I sure hope it is.
It would be a lot of fun to see a prequel to this season: the trial of Insane General and Disloyal Subordinate, assuming that all the facts become known. They'll certainly let everyone know why they defied the Prez, and that alone would probably get them acquitted.
What jury would convict our national martyrs? The fact that Dalia Hassan was accepted by Fakestan so readily will make the Prez look like a reckless idiot in retrospect - there was never any reason to endanger American lives since Hassan's death did not doom the peace process.
And if the President's subsequent dereliction of duty also became known, they'd be fully vindicated for defying someone who obviously shouldn't be running so much as a Rotary Club.
However, it's great to see Gregory Itzen back in action - his snarling Nixonian cynicism was the best thing about this ep.
The sloppy writing is giving the impression that Taylor is a reprehensible and deeply stupid person, who will sacrifice the security of the nation and American lives simply to make a show of being the person to enact this wonderful peace treaty which will fall apart ten seconds after its signed anyway. She is abandoning her responsibilities just to go to a meaningless peace treaty signing party. Feh!
She's flip-flopped from being absurdly insistent on the moral high ground even when the political fallout is sure to doom her, to not being insistent on the moral high ground in a situation where the expedient approach isn't going to work and, if it gets out, the political fallout is sure to doom her. (And there's no way anyone who's that politically tone deaf would make it all the way to the White House in the first place.)
The Russians sign a treaty, so what? Obviously they will turn right around and sabotage it. In the meantime, the POTUS/Commander in Chief is covering up an ACT OF WAR against her nation. Good lord, if that gets out, it's grounds for impeachment or I sure hope it is.
It would be a lot of fun to see a prequel to this season: the trial of Insane General and Disloyal Subordinate, assuming that all the facts become known. They'll certainly let everyone know why they defied the Prez, and that alone would probably get them acquitted.
What jury would convict our national martyrs? The fact that Dalia Hassan was accepted by Fakestan so readily will make the Prez look like a reckless idiot in retrospect - there was never any reason to endanger American lives since Hassan's death did not doom the peace process.
And if the President's subsequent dereliction of duty also became known, they'd be fully vindicated for defying someone who obviously shouldn't be running so much as a Rotary Club.
However, it's great to see Gregory Itzen back in action - his snarling Nixonian cynicism was the best thing about this ep.
But you know how politics works. Politicians are allowed to take risks but they better be right. If they guess wrong, regardless of how ambiguous the situation or impossible to predict, their ass is in a sling. So, yeah, she would be expected to know that the terrorists really wouldn't set off the bomb if they got Hassan (and besides, she didn't use that rationale as the reason to not hand him over.)
No, the writers aren't doing it on purpose. They're just putting the needs of the plot and Jack being central as the big hero, before the need of the Prez to be consistent as a character or realistic as someone who would have the slightest chance of ever becoming President.
The sloppy writing is giving the impression that Taylor is a reprehensible and deeply stupid person, who will sacrifice the security of the nation and American lives simply to make a show of being the person to enact this wonderful peace treaty which will fall apart ten seconds after its signed anyway. She is abandoning her responsibilities just to go to a meaningless peace treaty signing party. Feh!
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