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2023 Discovery Rewatch

While I was watching it I thought it was really a bold idea and how interesting and complex the show would be going forward with the benefits of the armistice for both sides and trying to actually enforce changes to the most unsavory aspects of the Emerald Chain - how would she bring people to heel? Those unpleasant compromises that might ultimately make everything better for everyone, but in the interim have Federation questioning what they got themselves into. But we also get to see some benefits in the interim. I thought, oh wow, this is a cool morally ambiguous solution. And I was soooo ready for a breather on the high stakes for the next season. But the stakes in S4 ramped up to eleventy right out of the gate.

While I liked some aspects of Season 4 (The communication aspect with Species 10-C and Zora), I agree, especially after watching the premiere last night. We don't even have an episode where it's just Discovery having it's mission, despite that being how the episode starts. They must get to the anomaly right away and end with another Galaxy defining threat. When I say go the DS9 route, what I mean is instead of having another threat, continue with the Emerald Chain as being maybe like the new Klingons or Cardassians. Yeah they have done bad things, but considering the circumstances, they might have had reasons for doing those things. You can develop that and actually make this new 32nd century universe "lived". That's what DS9 did. They took aspects of the original and TNG and build upon them, making the alpha quadrant like a living entity.

Now that I'm in Season 4 of my rewatch, I think the best way to describe Discovery is "what if". What if they went down different paths (You can say that in all the seasons really). What if the bridge crew became more than they were and we really got to understand what a character like Detmer was going through with her PTSD? There's a lot of good ideas in this series, and I actually like the cast, but with better writers I think it could have been something special, especially since this is a series that doesn't really call back to the other series that much, except for Spock and Burnham being his adopted Sister and bringing in Pike in Season 2.
 
I'm into Season 2 on my rewatch. The biggest thing that stand out for me is how... different Pike feels between this and SNW.

As much I generally like SNW, I think they fumbled Pike quite a bit. DSC Pike is the strong, commanding presence I expected from Pike. SNW Pike is something of a pushover, sometimes a bit too often almost pushed to the background to let other characters handle things. It's a bizarro opposite effect from Discovery with All Burnham All The Time, to SNW where it's... yeah Pike's the Captain, but what's Uhura up to today?

DSC Pike was seemed very much like a "get the job done" type, while SNW Pike has consistently shown to be fairly weak. Yeah he's dealing with the knowledge of his demise, but still.

(On a quick tangent from that, seeing Pike's relationship with Batel makes "The Menagerie" feel weird... Spock goes rogue to bring Pike to the Talosians to live happily ever after with Vina? It doesn't sit as well with me now.)

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Had a bad day and binged out Season 2.

It made me recall my first watch and I was just as disappointed in the second go around to the "mystery box". The Red Angel story was actually really cool... except for that it's Discovery, so the outcome was incredibly obvious. I remember on the original run thinking "sigh, it's definitely Burnham, but I hope it's not." Sure enough... of course it's Burnham.

On the Red Angel, I was less laser focused on this on the first go around... although it was in my head... the whole idea of the Red Angel just stretches all believability. It doesn't really make sense as to what it is... it's a suit built in the mid-23rd century that has full time travel capability, as well being able to apparently freely move through space as well, contained into a single, suit-sized unit. Like... why do even have ships? Where the hell did all of this technology come from?!

I can "yadda yadda" away the time travel. Fine. It uses a time crystal. Sure. But like... why can the suit just fly around anywhere, have like, an uber tractor beam? That can upend buildings, transport them across thousands of lightyears while also protecting the people within the building through the trip.

Typing it out makes me just... baffled about the Red Angel. It makes absolutely no sense.

The sphere was cool. I loved that concept. The Klingon subplot through the season felt tacked on and there just because. I generally liked the Section 31 stuff, but NOT-Borg Control was alittle contrived. That just didn't fit the setting. I didn't really have an issue with Section 31 being essentially just legit Starfleet Intelligence... after what happens, I think it's reasonable things got restructured and they took their organization underground. That's fine.

One thing I had not considered on the first watch was Boreth. On one hand, I appreciate them digging into the lore and using an established place. The thing is though, it makes whole Clone Kahless thing odd. I mean, a bunch of monks who sit on a mountain of time crystals that can effortlessly move things through space-time, in a place where time is almost meaningless... used genetic engineering to clone Kahless? They also seem to get a bit lax with their security by TNG... the Klingons seemed to weary of anyone going to Boreth, but by TNG it seems not uncommon to head to the monastery and do Klingon things.
 
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I finished season 4. The last two episodes were kind of awesome (even if people didn't like Stacy Abrams as Earth president).

When they begin to communicate was thrilling to me.
 
I finished season 4. The last two episodes were kind of awesome (even if people didn't like Stacy Abrams as Earth president).

It's one of those things where like, you can have whatever politics you want but... you should probably be aware of what Star Trek is... and what it is not.

I would generally prefer my Star Trek to not be overtly real-world political... certainly some allegories... but at the end of the day, Stacy Abrams doing a cameo is on brand for Star Trek.

If I had any political or what have you complaint it's probably Adira. They feel shoehorned in, like the show is literally checking off a diversity box, and with zero allegory to it. It doesn't sit right with me for a couple of reasons, one being that the whole issue should be entirely moot by the hot damn 32nd century. It should be a total non-issue with the amount of time spent on it being roughly, "Oh hey Paul I identify as they", "Oh, ok." and like... nobody cares. Not in a negative way, just... sure, you're they. Ok. But ALSO, if we are going to do it... with a human who took a Trill host... can we at least sci-fi it up and have Adira be dealing with identity issues due to the sudden influx of memories of however many past lives? It's alittle disappointing how tacked on the whole thing feels especially considering just how well Culber and Stamets were done. They aren't just the token gays whose main character trait is how gay there and in the story to be gay and do gay stuff. They're like, actual characters with defining traits beyond their sexual orientation or gender identity. Idira and Gray feel like they are there for the sole reason of diversity for the sake of diversity.
 
(On a quick tangent from that, seeing Pike's relationship with Batel makes "The Menagerie" feel weird... Spock goes rogue to bring Pike to the Talosians to live happily ever after with Vina? It doesn't sit as well with me now.)
Something will probably happen to Batel.
 
I'm 2 episodes in. More to follow!

Quick reactions:

Episode 1 had more spinning than a top, camera and otherwise.

Episode 2 had lots of good character moments. More than I remembered.

The moment Saru realized they couldn't predict the Anomoly: priceless
 
Literally just finished a rewatch of Wrath Of Khan.
"It was the best of times, it was the worst of times."
Could there be a better segway into tonight's feature?
Star Trek Discovery 4x9 Rubicon
Engage, Recap.
Building a bomb.
Conflict between Book & Michael. What would Gene Roddenberry do? #WWGRD
Naan is back? Forgot all about her.
Saru is making a holographic interface booty call and madam president is down to clown.
"Let's fly." Queue intro.
I like seeing who wrote & directed each ep so I know who to blame when it goes south.
Alan & Andi did this one.
Discovery-A has a fancy cloaking device.
Transporter non functional. #1 overused trope
"Black alert." (Are you sure? It does mean changing the bulb.)
Saru quoting Hugh: "That in times of division, identify with that which we can agree."
#Woke take a shot.
Book playing chicken at Discovery.
Michael, blow up the damn ship. #STFC
Michael says: "there is no right or wrong, it's nonbinary."
#Woke take a shot.
Talking through the ship windows.
I like that. It's clever writing.
Stand down for 1 week.
Expected utility.
They nuked it.
Power source not found.
USS Mitchell. #RIP
First Contact.
Credits.

Good ep. Good amount of action. Minimal emotional heart to heart talks that feel shoehorned in every time. Naan was a decent surprise. Very similar to Ro's appearance in PIC S3.
I give it 7 Andys#STTNC
 
If I had any political or what have you complaint it's probably Adira. They feel shoehorned in, like the show is literally checking off a diversity box, and with zero allegory to it. It doesn't sit right with me for a couple of reasons, one being that the whole issue should be entirely moot by the hot damn 32nd century. It should be a total non-issue with the amount of time spent on it being roughly, "Oh hey Paul I identify as they", "Oh, ok." and like... nobody cares. Not in a negative way, just... sure, you're they. Ok. But ALSO, if we are going to do it... with a human who took a Trill host... can we at least sci-fi it up and have Adira be dealing with identity issues due to the sudden influx of memories of however many past lives? It's alittle disappointing how tacked on the whole thing feels especially considering just how well Culber and Stamets were done. They aren't just the token gays whose main character trait is how gay there and in the story to be gay and do gay stuff. They're like, actual characters with defining traits beyond their sexual orientation or gender identity. Idira and Gray feel like they are there for the sole reason of diversity for the sake of diversity.

I’m just watching season two so haven’t got to those episodes again, but wasn’t that exactly the point? It was a riff/extension of Ezri’s confusion with her identify and pronouns when she was dealing with suddenly becoming a whole load of Daxes.

It’s using sci-fi to explore complicated real world issues, which is what people usually say they want Star Trek to do.
 
I’m just watching season two so haven’t got to those episodes again, but wasn’t that exactly the point? It was a riff/extension of Ezri’s confusion with her identify and pronouns when she was dealing with suddenly becoming a whole load of Daxes.

It’s using sci-fi to explore complicated real world issues, which is what people usually say they want Star Trek to do.

I never got that at all from Adira. I believe they are just non-binary, not as a result of any Trill issues, that's just how they are. I believe they tell Stamets that they always felt that way. Same with Gray, he isn't a trans man because of Trill stuff, he's just a trans man.

And that's ok... there's absolutely nothing wrong with that, it's just... yeah I want to explore complicated real life issues through a sci-fi lens, not just... in actual real life context. Both of those characters feel like they exist just for the sake of it. I'm for all for diversity and representation and what not, but I dislike it when that becomes the character primary purpose. Again contrasting to Stamets and Culber. They aren't there to just be "the gay guys". They are complex characters who contribute in droves to the narrative, who are also gay. That's wonderful.

Even better was the the trans woman from SNW... to me, done in the best possible way... I didn't even know she was trans until reading a review of the episode after I saw it. She was just presented as... a woman.
 
I finished my Discovery rewatch tonight. I still think Season 4 had issues with pacing but I would rank it over Season 3. I really loved the Communication storyline, which is something Trek hasn't done well since Darmok. In a way, these last few episodes were like Darmok if Darmok was 2 or 3 episodes long. I also really enjoyed the stuff with Zora still, and I hope Season 5 attaches the Zora story to Calypso somehow. Honestly, I just hope the writers haven't forgotten about the Short Treks because at the time I thought those were some great ideas and they were used to pass the time before the new season started. We haven't had a new season of Discovery since 2022, so having some short treks last year would have been nice (I understand why they couldn't). My issues with Discovery are really the same issues I have throughout the last 2 seasons. In Season 4 it was pacing issues and almost waiting to the last minute to actually meet Species 10-C. Also, the emotional baggage could be exhausting at times (Even though some of Burnham's emotions were understandable, like when she thought Book had died. I think this season did a better job making Burnham more assertive, and I liked the character of Rillick to remind her of that. I do wish Nhan had stayed around though, or at least shown up in the finale.

I'm trying to keep myself relatively spoiler free going into the final season but based on the trailer, I hope it's a good final season. I would even be excited for a surprise or 2, even though my hopes of Finding Prime Lorca or having the ship go back home are pretty much zero at this point. I think my main hope for the season is can we please have Stamets do more? I really miss First season stamets and I don't really like awkward father Stamets that much.

If I were to rank the seasons: (And Discovery isn't my favorite of the new Treks but there are things I do like about it)

Season 2 - Mainly because of Pike and episodes like New Eden, Sound of Thunder and If Memory Serves (Three of my top 5 episodes, with the other episodes being Into the Forest I Go and the episode in Season 3 that delved into Detmer's PTSD, which I think is Forget me Not)

Season 1 - I actually feel a lot better about Season 1 than I did when it first aired. I think they dropped the ball on the Klingon War and Lorca as a character, but the first 12 episodes were pretty enjoyable, and Into The Forest I Go has one of my favorite sequences in all of New Star Trek.

Season 4 - See Above

Season 3 - There was a lot to like about this season, but man the ending ruined it. I still think they should have written Ossyra as being genuine about joining the Federation, or at least having a Federation/Cardassian type alliance, uneasy but for the greater good, a necessary evil
 
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Just finished S1 and did Runaway ST and Brother.

Putting a bow on S1, I think I can put the episodes into 4 groups:

Fantastic/Excellent: 9s or 10s:
Context is For Kings
Choose Your Pain
Magic To Make The Sanest Man Go Mad
Into The Forest I Go

Forest tops, Context & Magic close for 2nd. Pain 4th.

Solidly Enjoyable: Minor Quibbles: 8s
The Vulcan Hello
Si Vis Pacem, Para Bellum
Despite Yourself
The War Without, The War Within

Not quite as good or very good in part with stuff that really bugged me in others: 6-7s.

Battle At The Binary Stars
The Butcher's Knife Cares Not For The Lamb's Cry
Lethe
The Wolf Inside
Will You Take My Hand?

Lethe best in bunch here. Or Butcher's Knife.

OK, not horrid, but not great: 5-6s
Vaulting Ambition
What's Past Is Prologue

A lot of the fight/action or big battle scenes in Disco are a struggle for me. Star Wars level 1 person beating up 20 with guns is just kind of a joke. Or one shot from Discovery thumping the Charon? Come on.
 
6 episodes left. This is the slowest re-watch I've ever done, but I'll stick with the plan and finish S4 right before starting S5.

I'll be re-watching the first three Indiana Jones movies next week, then I'll pick up where I left off with Discovery the week after.

How this looks:
Week of 3/11/24 through 3/17/24 --> Indiana Jones (1980s)
Week of 3/18/24 through 3/24/24 --> DSC S4 Episodes 8-9
Week of 3/25/24 through 3/31/24 --> DSC S4 Episodes 10-11
4/1/24 through 4/3/24 --> DSC S4 Episodes 12-13
4/4/24 --> DSC S5 Episodes 1-2
 
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I've watched 04x03! I knew I could do it!

I enjoyed this episode even more this time around, and my number 1 takeaway is there should have been ONE scene where the aliens acknowledge the help they got. Is there a cut scene somewhere!?
 
Here we are.
Star Trek Discovery 4x10 The Galactic Barrier
Ep desc says it has the Ruon Tarka backstory.
He's a good protagonist.
Whichever writer came up with his initial character creation, well done.
Engage. P+ ad is singing to me. This is not okay.
4eyes (why can i never remember his name?) is perfect chaos neutral.
The President lady is tagging along.
I swear she's a decendant of Ky Winn.
Programable Anti Matter. No shit?
Some guy just left. I have no idea who he was.
Oh damn Saru put himself out there.
Michael's giving a Picard speech to her shipwide crew.
Black alert, let's fly.
Intro
Good job Jeff Russo. #Tonic #HeadOnStraight
Flashback
Now we at the edge of the galaxy. Dope.
Flying into a cell bubble. Less dope.
Flashback of some human kindness.
Interdimentional transporter.
Beam me to the 7th dimension.
Where dafuk do I get some antimatter?
Without antimatter, the only way to travel interdimentionally is by knowing Jesus.
Comm officer wants to go to Astoria Oregon.
It's a beautiful place to visit.
Warping off to end the episode.

I give it 7 Andys#sttnc
 
finished S1 and am almost done with S2.

S1 was better than I remember from the first go round. Burnham especially. But I still think it’s too “heavy” and filled with missteps.

By heavy I mean…did we really need a jaunt to the mirror-verse. What purpose did it serve beyond “resurrecting” a character that shouldn’t have been killed off in the first place and revealing Lorca to be a Terran instead of just a hardass.

The Klingons are still the worst part. However, I think the basic idea of a religious zealot taking control of the Empire in order to wage what amounts to a holy war is a descent one. It’s just the execution was poor. And the solution to ending that war…eesh.

S2 so far…this is the Burnham I remember disliking. Jet Reno is just the best. And I think I might just like this version of Pike better than the more fleshed out SNW version. He’s still “Captain Dad” but here he has a bit of an edge than he doesn’t in SNW.
 
Yes, but I would have preferred in Season 2.

And so far, yeah, a mirror-centric season 2 would have been better than the evil AI S2 that we got.

but they gotta have fun with the mirror-verse. Ham it up some like they did on TOS, DS9 and Enterprise. They took themselves way too serious in the Disco Mirror-verse.

They could also dial back on the production design too. There’s a reason the phrase is “keep it simple stupid”. Sadly SNW and Disco ignore that far too often.
 
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