There'd be less of it if the shows were good.
2021 Emmy Nominations
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There'd be less of it if the shows were good.
This may come as a revelation to some, but it’s actually OK to watch Star Trek because you’re a fan and you want to see what happens next, or to rewatch it because you want to see more of what happened or because you simply like certain parts (you know, like the best ST music ever in the failure known as TMP). It’s not inconsistent with accepting the poor state of the franchise in the television landscape of 2021 or observing that Alex Kurtzman is hardly likely to improve upon that any time soon, unless he finds a miracle showrunner for one of the current or future productions and lets them do their thing.
I know that many Star Trek fans are actively seeking out new and better productions that have nothing to do with the franchise, so it’s hard to believe they haven’t developed a taste for innovative writing, directing, cinematography, music, which would make it easier to observe the flaws in the current Star Trek productions. Why compromise on that here by defending the indefensible? Fandom means critical involvement, not artificial support. No, the shows aren’t being nominated for or winning as many Emmys as they should be, so let’s talk about the underlying causes and how franchise management can be improved, or alternatively, accept the reality without imagining connections between fandom and quality.
I know that many Star Trek fans are actively seeking out new and better productions that have nothing to do with the franchise, so it’s hard to believe they haven’t developed a taste for innovative writing, directing, cinematography, music, which would make it easier to observe the flaws in the current Star Trek productions. Why compromise on that here by defending the indefensible? Fandom means critical involvement, not artificial support. No, the shows aren’t being nominated for or winning as many Emmys as they should be, so let’s talk about the underlying causes and how franchise management can be improved, or alternatively, accept the reality without imagining connections between fandom and quality.
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Because people like it and find it to be a quality product. I don't watch it because Star Trek. I watch it because I find it entertaining, enjoyable and engaging. More so than most other current productions .
Except they don’t criticize it. They just shit on it. Pretty sure they also admitted they don’t watch it.
If they watched it and gave constructive feedback without the snide remarks and general negativity I wouldn’t have a problem.
But right now it comes across as shitting on it for the sake of negativity
Every single thread about the show ive seen a post of them in it’s just negativity, usually doesn’t even contribute anything to the discussion. Just a drive by posting reminding everyone how much they dislike the show.
Since when?
Almost always. Complaining is how we let them know we care.Always?
Well, I think that can be true, but thus far the type of complaining hasn't been as constructive. I think constructive criticism has more value.
See, but that isn't what is being conveyed nowadays. There is little, if any, love in the complaining. It is couched language but ultimately still designed to tear down in a way that shows disapproval. This isn't in the spirit of joking about Shatner's overacting, because then people go "Well, Burnham cries again" and it sounds vindictive.
Now, this might be a constraint of the text based medium but by and large there is not the same type of loving approach.
Well I agree politics has shifted how people see the shows and movies a little bit but I still think the passion and interest is still their. You don't just stop caring about things you spent most of your life caring about. It just comes out in a more cynical tone than before.
I think the care comes out differently. The difficulty is that I don't see the care from all sides. All we get is the litany of complaints and that is not loving. It's like when I worked retail and people would complain the entire time about what was wrong with our store or how another store was better. Yet they kept coming back despite complaining the whole time. People treat that as no big deal but it is fatiguing to listen to so much. It doesn't it sound like care, regardless of the motivation.
I agree with @fireproof78 on this one. I don't think the complaining about Discovery has the jovial intent you ascribe to it. Case in point, people in this sub accusing Burnham of having a serious mental illness (narcissistic personality disorder). There's nothing funny in that. And if you spend a bit of time in some of the less tolerant star trek sub-reddits, there is a lot of casual cruelty masquerading as 'criticism'. No one is saying all characters have to be liked, but I think when fans have to resort to accusing characters of being mentally or demeaning a female character because of her weight and appearance, i feel the bar for 'jokes' has been set real fucking low.
There’s certainly room for complaints about any Trek series, but I can’t see it as a good thing when people do nothing but complain. That is especially so where it is accompanied by a hope that the show will fail, and/or where the criticism is accompanied/motivated by bigotry.
It's probably good for them to be able to vent. I think half of the internet is people venting about things out of their control. Not sure that's a bad thing. People just need to learn to not take it so personal. That's why I am someone who tends to have lots of patience with people even when they are acting foolish. Everyone has been their at some point and it's usually over nonsense as well.
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