I kind of hope The Captain's Oath get updated before publication with whatever ship Kirk is commanding in that book though!
I don't know if I like the idea of Kirk commanding a ship before Enterprise.
If it's because the captain was killed and he was battle promoted, that will be fine.
I just like the idea that the Enterprise was the first proper ship he took command.
I don’t remember that.
For everyone's view:
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Good thing I don’t judge books by their covers, because I find both of those, quite frankly, terrible. I’ve seen better covers on self-published Kindle books. Maybe these will look better as a 1-inch thumbnail on Amazon.
I can see our $16 ISN’T going to the cover art.
To be fair, Dehner's line could also be interpreted as referring to the Enterprise itself... it's one of those things fans have argued about for ages!But I've always preferred the interpretation that it's referring to an earlier command on a different ship.
To be fair, Dehner's line could also be interpreted as referring to the Enterprise itself... it's one of those things fans have argued about for ages!But I've always preferred the interpretation that it's referring to an earlier command on a different ship.
I don't think it's been "ages"... I think it's only been since people stopped taking The Making of Star Trek for granted. That book is full of things that were accepted as fact by fandom for decades even though they were never stated onscreen (at least not until subsequently):
Maybe it's just that modern shows have a tendency to begin with origin stories, to show characters entering their positions for the first time, so people expect the beginning of TOS to have been the beginning of Kirk's captaincy.
One of the issues I had with Star Trek (2009) was not only the cadet-Captain instant promotion, but that such an incredibly young officer was given command of the flagship. While Kirk's progression in the original series was more traditional, it makes sense he'd have to work his way up in the Captain's ranks as well. Now perhaps he was given command of the Enterprise pretty quickly once he proved himself, but it'd make sense you'd have to prove yourself in some fashion first.
Looking at the blurb for "The Enterprise War" I'm kind of surprised it's part of the Discovery line. It sounds more like an original series novel to me (granted during the Pike era, but stories focused on him and the Enterprise have traditionally been original series novels). I mean, unless characters from Discovery and the Discovery itself feature as a plot point in some fashion.
BTW the cover is nice too, a picture of Kirk in an early version of the uniform to set it in the proper timeframe, and the ship. I also liked the other covers as well. Since the Typhon Pact novels, the novels covers have improved. They were getting a little blah for a time during the early Typhon Pact novels but they're back to doing pretty cool covers again.
Looking at the blurb for "The Enterprise War" I'm kind of surprised it's part of the Discovery line. It sounds more like an original series novel to me (granted during the Pike era, but stories focused on him and the Enterprise have traditionally been original series novels). I mean, unless characters from Discovery and the Discovery itself feature as a plot point in some fashion. I mean, it doesn't really matter, more just an observation.
Maybe it's just that modern shows have a tendency to begin with origin stories, to show characters entering their positions for the first time, so people expect the beginning of TOS to have been the beginning of Kirk's captaincy. Whereas in the '60s, the norm was to begin in medias res, the characters and status quo already established and the first episode just a routine incident like any other. Roddenberry's intent was that Kirk had already been captain of the E for at least a couple of years already when the show kicked off.
Look at it this way: By this time next month, Christopher Pike will have appeared in more Discovery episodes than TOS episodes. So that arguably makes him more of a DSC character now.
Probably TPB think it will get more sales if it’s linked to a current series.
In terms of STAR TREK, this started with "Encounter at Farpoint," which, unlike "Mantrap," felt obliged to show how the crew came together, folks meeting each for the first time, etc.
In a way, TOS didn't really have a "first episode." There's "The Cage," which never aired except as flashbacks in "The Menagerie," there's the second pilot, which was actually the third episode aired, and "Mantrap," which was the first episode the TV audience ever saw.
I'm always kinda amused when folks insist that newcomers HAVE to start with "The Cage," because that's not how anybody actually watched the series back in the sixties and the seventies.![]()
That's a good observation about how audiences expect origin stories these days, as opposed to the way it was back in the sixties. THE AVENGERS, THE MAN FOR UNCLE, GET SMART, BATMAN, STAR TREK, etc. All those series began with the status quo already in place, no origins needed.
In a way, TOS didn't really have a "first episode." There's "The Cage," which never aired except as flashbacks in "The Menagerie," there's the second pilot, which was actually the third episode aired, and "Mantrap," which was the first episode the TV audience ever saw.
I wonder if the Captain's Oath will touch upon Kirk serving aboard the U.S.S. Republic and then later the U.S.S. Farragut.
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