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2019 Releases

I'd like to toss in a general "no" vote on those taller but not wider paperbacks.
That's not the format these books are taking. These are more traditional TPBs, both taller and wider. (Pocket's used a couple of different sizes, you'd have to look up what the specific dimensions are.)

Back in the "2 a month" days, it seemed sometimes like they were just trying to "meet the quota".
Asides from Swordhunt being split in two when The Empty Chair was late, I can't think of any obvious examples of that.
 
Asides from Swordhunt being split in two when The Empty Chair was late, I can't think of any obvious examples of that.

You could make a case for the DS9 Rebels trilogy. IIRC, those three books combined had a significantly smaller word count than Mission Gamma: Twilight alone. And while that was the most extreme case, it felt to me like a lot of the duologies in those years could've easily been published as one book each. For a while there in the late '90s, we were often getting one book's worth of story for the price of two or three, but once Marco Palmieri started editing DS9 and other series, he was more likely to give us two or three books' worth of story for the price of one. I know which I preferred.
 
For a while there in the late '90s, we were often getting one book's worth of story for the price of two or three, but once Marco Palmieri started editing DS9 and other series, he was more likely to give us two or three books' worth of story for the price of one. I know which I preferred.
IIRC, John Ordover has said that he did that because duologies and trilogies sold better, as opposed to trying to fill holes in the schedule.

I did prefer Marco's approach, admittedly. :) Those two months when Mission: Gamma was released were the best of both worlds.
 
IIRC, John Ordover has said that he did that because duologies and trilogies sold better, as opposed to trying to fill holes in the schedule.

Yes, exactly. Ordover's approach was very sales-oriented. He was always coming up with ways to try to boost sales -- crossovers, duologies, whatever it took. Whereas with Marco, the priority was always the storytelling and the quality of the writing. He looked for new ways to tell stories, not just new ways to market them. Like I said, I know which I preferred.
 
Yes, exactly. Ordover's approach was very sales-oriented. He was always coming up with ways to try to boost sales -- crossovers, duologies, whatever it took. Whereas with Marco, the priority was always the storytelling and the quality of the writing. He looked for new ways to tell stories, not just new ways to market them. Like I said, I know which I preferred.
Although I remember reading as well that Palmieri wished that he could’ve split “Twilight” and “This Gray” Spirit” into 2 books (or even printed in a larger book) each so that the print size could’ve been enlarged, but he couldn’t because it was to late in the process as the story had already marketed to stores in the way it came out. Although it would be interesting to have seen a 6-Book “Mission Gamma”.
 
IIRC, John Ordover has said that he did that because duologies and trilogies sold better, as opposed to trying to fill holes in the schedule.

I recall Ordover saying that, in retrospect, he should have published The 34th Rule as a trilogy because each book of the Rebels trilogy outsold The 34th Rule.
 
I remember reading as well that Palmieri wished that he could’ve split “Twilight” and “This Gray” Spirit” into 2 books (or even printed in a larger book) each so that the print size could’ve been enlarged,
Yeah, I remember Mission Gamma 1 had not only smaller print, the new chapters started on the same page the previous one ended. Pretty dense reading for a Star Trek book. Thankfully, I had a long weekend off in which to plow through most of it.

Yeah, I'm calling it Mission Gamma 1. In this day and age, I don't feel comfortable admitting I read a novel named Twilight.
I recall Ordover saying that, in retrospect, he should have published The 34th Rule as a trilogy because each book of the Rebels trilogy outsold The 34th Rule.
Wow. That's kind of sad, all things considered.
 
Yeah, I remember Mission Gamma 1 had not only smaller print, the new chapters started on the same page the previous one ended. Pretty dense reading for a Star Trek book. Thankfully, I had a long weekend off in which to plow through most of it.

IIRC, one of DRG3's recent novels dispensed with chapters entirely, which I didn't notice until I decided I'd stop at the next chapter one night and just kept going, and going, and going...
 
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Weird. The only books I've ever come across without chapters is the Discworld series.
 
Weird. The only books I've ever come across without chapters is the Discworld series.
As another example, the Star Wars: Force Heretic trilogy by Sean Williams and Shane Dix didn’t have chapters, though each book was divided into 3-4 parts.

Uncommon but not unheard of. :)
 
I will say, it was somewhat odd going past the Simon & Schuster table at NYCC and only seeing the recent Discovery novels with no mention of the two other upcoming non-Disco novels. Hopefully the format change and an altered schedule will reenergize the line. (I always felt like they should just schedule out a set # of books based on the series and legacy sales, with due deference to the current material. So: 2 Disco books, 2 TOS, 2 TNG, 1 DS9, 1 Voy, 1 Ent and either 3 open slots for other series/additional Disco or TOS books. Feels like somewhere along the line this changed and the more organic schedule ended up feeling like a scramble and we'd not see books for several years.)

There are a few Trek books that don't have traditional chapter structure. Is it DRG's Serpents Among the Ruins with the very long chapters that are essentially a countdown? And a few with more "thematic" chapters that are longer than a typical 20-40 page chapter.

The POD paperbacks are a little strange to shelve because of their size. My NextGen/X-Men book was a random POD option from Amazon a few years ago and it sits oddly on my shelf with all the other TNG books around it.
 
New Frontier (around the Excalibur trilogy I think) stopped having numbered chapters and just stated the location.
 
But it still had chapters, at least. It didn't just have one big continuous narrative like the books others are discussing.
Well, BritishSeaPower brought up Serpents Among the Ruins which also technically had chapters, so I thought mentioning the NF chapter thing wouldn't be too out of place. Plus, it still seems pretty close to the discussed topic.
 
I'd still consider what we got in Serpents and the NF books chapters. Even if they didn't say "Chapter X", they were still structured like chapters. The Discworld books are pretty much just continuous with breaks in the paragraphs, and occasionally it'll skip over part of a page.
 
I'd still consider what we got in Serpents and the NF books chapters. Even if they didn't say "Chapter X", they were still structured like chapters.

Yes, absolutely. A chapter is a chapter, no matter how you label it. It's defined by structure, by being a discreet unit within the book, something with a heading at the start and a page break at the end of it, rather than just a blank line between it and the next scene. Those books had chapters, period -- you're quite right about that. The kind of books you're talking about didn't, or at least had only a few large sections with no further subdivisions.
 
Those are print-on-demand reprints, and only rarely seen in stores.
I think E-Dub was talking about a specific variant MMPB size, that are taller but not wider. According to my very brief google, it seems like this was an attempt to make longer books a bit easier to read in the paperback format by increasing the line spacing. It never quite seemed to catch on as a new standard. Offhand, the Dresden Files series switched their paperback reprints to the taller version. You can see in this photo of a series set, three copies predate the switch and are in the shorter, traditional MMPB size.

The PoD reprints are closer to trade paperback size though, irritatingly, the actual printing is still from the MMPB template (so you've got as much margin as content on the page, with the text just swimming in white space).
 
I think E-Dub was talking about a specific variant MMPB size, that are taller but not wider. According to my very brief google, it seems like this was an attempt to make longer books a bit easier to read in the paperback format by increasing the line spacing. It never quite seemed to catch on as a new standard. Offhand, the Dresden Files series switched their paperback reprints to the taller version

The Star Wars paperback reprints have also been using this format since Disney took over. Not a fan of it myself, and have avoided any paperback in this format.
 
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