If I scrape off all the sarcasm it looks like you are agreeing with me. Good to know.
I’d leave the sarcasm in place. It covers up my annoyance at people who try to explain my own job to me.
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I’d leave the sarcasm in place. It covers up my annoyance at people who try to explain my own job to me.
I was wondering, @Dayton Ward, @Greg Cox and @Una McCormack how long you already knew of the contact renewal, if you're allowed to share that information.
I'm assuming you knew before us and they didn't just send you an email with novel titles and synopsis before STLV
I'm assuming you knew before us and they didn't just send you an email with novel titles and synopsis before STLV
I'd agree with you if this was just Goldsman and Kurtzman, but the person who came up with the idea for the show has a vested interest in novelverse. And really, how hard of a sell would the Typhon Pact and slipstream drive be? "So yeah, we're going to bring back all these old races that have been under-utilized, and combine them into a League of Villains who stand against Federation expansion. In return, the Federation is going to join with all these fan-favorite races in a new Super Federation. Oh, and starships have a new drive that allows them to explore beyond the familiar confines of the Alpha Quadrant."
Anyway, whatever happens with the novels going forward the same authors will be involved so they will still be worth reading.
You're forgetting that Trek Lit already went through this when Enterprise came along, and is now going through it with Discovery. In neither case did we have to abandon the continuity altogether. We just adapted to it.
Of course what you're proposing is a possibility. It may even be likely. But we don't know enough for any truly sensible person to presume unshakeable certainty about anything.
Not necessarily. I mean, when Judith & Garfield Reeves-Stevens joined the Enterprise writing staff, they didn't try to incorporate ideas from their Trek novels into canon, not even the novels they did with William Shatner. They were hired to write for the TV show, and that meant doing what the TV show needed, period.
Fans get hung up on the "reality" of fictional universes and thus want them to stay consistent, but those of us who actually make the things up are always aware of how made-up they are. So it's not that hard for us to reinvent them and tell alternate versions of them in different contexts. Heck, sometimes writers relish the opportunity to start over and do a new, improved version of what they did in the past.
Now, personally I'd love it if it turned out Kirsten was going to incorporate novelverse ideas and try to keep things more or less consistent. But the mere fact that she's involved doesn't guarantee that. Her job will be to serve the show, not the books. If any ideas from the books are used, it'll be in whatever way best serves the show, which might mean they're drawn on only partially or reinterpreted to fit the show's continuity (like how new Star Wars canon has handled elements from the old EU tie-ins like Admiral Thrawn).
I’d leave the sarcasm in place. It covers up my annoyance at people who try to explain my own job to me.
It would be an very limited experience in the writing room - "sorry you cannot do that as it doesn't match with this tie-in novel from 2002".
It's not very likely - especially given the intent of the show will be to attract a mainstream audience rather than the sort of hardcore fan who reads the books.
I wouldn't be surprised if there were some Easter eggs, a planet/place name here or there, a character name, but no actual plot points from the books.
While it wasn't legible on screen, one of Georgiou's Diplomas in her ready room mentioned the capital city of Andoria from the books.
While it wasn't legible on screen, one of Georgiou's Diplomas in her ready room mentioned the capital city of Andoria from the books.
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Also something occurs to me - for all we know KB had a fantastic idea for Picard that she couldn't done in the book *because* of how they'd been set-up and she lacked creative control.
Similarly - I would think that PS will have quite a bit of influence about the character (he did in the previous films) and that might be completely different to what is on the page.
Similarly - I would think that PS will have quite a bit of influence about the character (he did in the previous films) and that might be completely different to what is on the page.
I heard a story years ago, NOT about Trek, where somebody tried doing that on another franchise.
As I understand it, the general response was "There are books?"
Alternatively, this could be an idea for the novels that Beyer is happily able to put on-screen.
Exactly. As I see it, one backstory is as good as another, and a mere seven years of novelverse followed by thirteen years of blank canvas is better than most. "Oh, fans will be so confused! They'll hate having the option of finding out how all these changes happened at their local library, and nerding out recapping it for all their friends who don't care as much! They'd be so much happier with a different set of changes that's totally unexplained and will leave them chasing their tails for another fifty years debating their headcanons and fanwanks!"
*Snaps fingers* The name "Terran Empire!" Like Star Trek, this forum is an interconnected multimedia metafictional construct where, sooner or later, every stray comment loops back around with new shades of meaning, and our truly overwhelming body of history is an opportunity, not a burden.
Case closed.
Let's be real. Replace the words "tie-in novel" with "episode," and that conversation is going to go the same way. This crew has demonstrated that their eyes are bigger than their stomachs when it comes to established backstory. I'm with CLB, myself, they should've just started Trek over from scratch, based on the latest science and technology predictions of today, instead of trying to keep slotting stuff into the old epic. As you say, the novels are a niche product, they have the luxury of remaining consistent. The mass-market is perceived as more fickle and less discerning about such things.
Things I guarantee Picard will say in the new show:
"I am not and have never been married."
"I do not and never had a child."
"T'Ryssa Chen? Never heard of her."
"I have never broken down and cried on the bridge."
"I love vacationing at the original, never destroyed, Therin Park."
"I am not and have never been married."
"I do not and never had a child."
"T'Ryssa Chen? Never heard of her."
"I have never broken down and cried on the bridge."
"I love vacationing at the original, never destroyed, Therin Park."
I said I was hoping.
I’m also hoping to win the lottery and live as long as Elias Vaughn. Neither of which is going to happen.
I wouldn’t expect them to not contradict everything in the novels but stick to the major points like Picard marrying Crusher as this was shown as a possible future on screen.
Given Stewart's politics, there may be some allergy to brexit and/or trump.
Of course we've already had the Andorian departure in the novels,
Perhaps we'll see the Klingons subverting a vote to make Earth leave the federation when they elect Kivas Fajo as the new planetary leader on a "Make Earth Great Again" thing. Picard returns from an archaeological dig with Vash and over the season saves the day, becomes president, and Earth remains in the federation.
Of course we've already had the Andorian departure in the novels,
Perhaps we'll see the Klingons subverting a vote to make Earth leave the federation when they elect Kivas Fajo as the new planetary leader on a "Make Earth Great Again" thing. Picard returns from an archaeological dig with Vash and over the season saves the day, becomes president, and Earth remains in the federation.
Even in the show its made pretty clear the Klingon's are close to the federation. Allies not enemies though a general audience not familiar with the story especially that of DS9 might not know that.
Klingons were enemies in Kirk's time.
Then they were friends in Picards, then a brief war before allies against the dominion.
A lot can change in 20 years.
Then they were friends in Picards, then a brief war before allies against the dominion.
A lot can change in 20 years.
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