Discussion in 'TV & Media' started by Dream, Jan 24, 2012.
They didn't get enough votes. The two songs od0_ital listed were the only ones nominated.
Or, more properly, they didn't score highly enough.
Still can't believe Drive didn't get a Best Pic nom.
It's genre fare, and rather violent. I'm disappointed that it wasn't recognized, but not surprised.
I didn't find that movie especially noteworthy, though I'm in the minority there (so many people online keep buzzing about the soundtrack/score, which I thought was almost laughably obvious in places).
I think the only people worried about the ratings are the network and the producers of the awards show; I'm pretty sure the average Academy member who actually votes doesn't give a crap about the ratings.
Personally, I'm fine with them nominating lesser known films. Do you really want to see the Oscars turn into the People's Choice Awards and have Transformers: Dark of the Moon be nominated for Best Picture?
TRANSFORMERS 3, hell no. HARRY POTTER 8 or CAPTAIN AMERICA 1, hell yes. Once in a while, you get a great popular movie like THE DEPARTED. It's the best of both worlds. Now I'm off to post my personal favorites on a separate thread.
Drive seems to be generating buzz mostly in niche areas. I'm not hearing a heck of a lot about it outside newsgroups. And it came and went so fast in the theatres here I just assumed it was a bomb. That said, I'm the guy who works in the media yet somehow managed to avoid hearing anything about a movie called "Napoleon Dynamite" until I happened upon an action figure in a comic shop a couple years back.
The Academy isn't catering to the TV show. If they decided to no longer broadcast the Oscars, they'd still hand them out. It's only within the last 20 years that anyone gave a damn about the Oscar ratings. Popularity does not equal quality, and one of the great things about the Oscars is it gives press to films the mainstream might have ignored. Again I go to Slumdog Millionaire, or No Country for Old Men, etc. If you want awards shows skewed towards only nominating the big splashy films, MTV's Movie awards and the Spike Scream Awards have that market cornered.
I made mention of being disappointed that Harry Potter 8 didn't get nominated - but that was because I want to see the entire series recognized in some way. But if I were given my choice of nominations for Best Picture, I'd actually more likely have given the spot to Another Earth.
Captain America for BEST PICTURE? Seriously? It was a good movie, but it's not a GREAT movie.
If I had to choose a popular movie that didn't get nominated that should, it would be Bridesmaids. (which got a couple, but should've been nominated for best Pic.)
My predictions, with the precursors done:
Picture - The Artist
Director - Michel Hazanavicius (The Artist)
Actor - Jean Dujardin (The Artist)
Actress - Viola Davis (The Help)
Supporting Actor - Christopher Plummer (Beginners)
Supporting Actress - Octavia Spencer (The Help)
Original Screenplay - Midnight in Paris
Adapted Screenplay - The Descendants
Editing - The Artist
Cinematography - The Tree of Life
Art Direction - Hugo
Costume Design - Hugo
Makeup - The Iron Lady
Original Score - The Artist
Original Song - "Muppet or a Man" (The Muppets)
Sound Editing - War Horse
Sound Mixing - War Horse
Visual Effects - Rise of the Planet of the Apes
Animated Feature - Rango
Foreign Language Film - A Separation
Documentary - Paradise Lost 3: Purgatory
Yeah, it's a shame Tintin didn't get nominated. But it's due to a rule where the Academy deemed motion-captured rules to not be real animation. It's all because Pixar complained that motion-captured movies were being nominated when Cars wasn't and should have won by critical acclaim. I can see where they were coming from, perhaps feeling like the motion-captured movies were encroaching on their territory, but that should only mean they should work harder to make great movies. They shouldn't be at a point where they win by default. Tintin was a real piece of art, but it gets excluded due to an exclusionary rule. In my mind, it's all animation; they're just different tools, different means to an end result, and I think it's quite unfair to the people who've worked very hard making movies like Tintin. Because of that rule, you get the other extreme end where some other animated movies that aren't particularly noteworthy make the list, like Puss'n'Boots and Kung-Fu Panda 2, with movies that deserve attention like Tintin getting shut out. Strikes me as somewhat elitist. I think the Academy should find a middle-ground, so that both types of animation are recognized. I don't see motion-captured movies going away anytime soon. I only see it getting more popular as time goes on and as things get more complicated. I think motion-capture as a valid form of animation is quite understated when done well.
The rule is explained here:
Also, could have sworn Rango came out two years ago, but I guess my mind is playing tricks on me.
No, it was eligible to be nominated (they announce a list of all the films under consideration). However, it was not, because the animators in the Academy generally don't consider motion capture to be animation (because of the actors being involved), and so didn't vote for it.
Well, it comes down to the same thing, doesn't it? It still was excluded because they didn't consider motion-capture to be animation, eligible or not. The issue is a confusing one. Anyhow, It's likely better than many animated movies that did get nominated, and I hope the Academy realizes that the rule is too restrictive. Actors or not, I don't think motion-captured movies should be excluded, if they're genuine efforts. They're only going to become more common over time.
^ But as CaptainCanada says, it's not a rule - it's just a point-of-view or prejudice which some of the voting members hold. It's not a question of lifting a rule or exclusion, just of people opening their minds.
Oh ok. I was told it was a rule on another forum I participate in. Guess they were wrong. I've also seen it referred to as a rule in a couple of places, which only creates confusion on the issue.
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