You just answered your own question. The probability of the Giants scoring there was probably 29 out of 30 times. Do you want 1:00 and 1 timeout to try to get a touchdown or 0:21 and 0 timeouts to try get in position for a FG attempt?
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You just answered your own question. The probability of the Giants scoring there was probably 29 out of 30 times. Do you want 1:00 and 1 timeout to try to get a touchdown or 0:21 and 0 timeouts to try get in position for a FG attempt?
Ok thanks.
One article sated that this play had questionable ethics, but then they didn't elaborate.
Why was this unethical?
One article sated that this play had questionable ethics, but then they didn't elaborate.
Why was this unethical?
No. It was strategy. You can tell that the player WANTED to stop before he got to the endzone, but his momentum carried him in when he tried to stop a bit too late. He wanted to do that so the Giants could run down the clock and kick the FG on the very last play, avoiding giving the ball back to the Patriots at all.
So the Patriots strategy on that play was "Let them score then get the ball with 1:00 and a timeout."
The Giants strategy was, "Run out all the clock and go for the win on the last play of the game."
It's not unethical, it's just strategy in sports.
I couldn't believe how those easy catches were dropped. It was awful.
Most of the game was boring as hell. Just dull. It wasn't all that exciting until half way through the 4th quarter. On the plus side Iliked the ads better than last year's but they weren't great. Even the promo for the Avengers fell a little flat.
Thanks for clarifying I didn't think about the field goal. But note the article above.
Still, it seems absurd that the guy could just stop there. LOL
I suppose he's spent his whole life trying to get into that end zone so maybe it was just too unnatural to stop short. Maybe they should've gave it to a QB who'd be more used to taking a slide.
It would've been funny if he had stopped short and the Pats tried to push him in.
EDIT: oops, I thought you had said "couldn't stop there" since the guy failed to stop...
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MJD did it a couple years ago and I think Manning (the one officially dubbed "The Other Manning" now) pulled up short on a keeper at the end of a game last season. Manning's went fairly unnoticed, but MJD heard from many, many unhappy fantasy fans afterwards. Jacobs just looked silly on that play- it was like he wasn't sure what he was supposed to do.
Incredibly boring game. Struggled to keep myself in it. Also, I wish the Pats WR's had at least waited until they got back to the lockerroom before they started screwing Brady. Those last two drives were horrible.... They had, what, 4 or 5 pretty wide open drops? There's only one that you could make an argument for a good defensive play and the rest were receivers forgetting what they were supposed to do.
As much as one of my friends annoys me with his fandom, I wish the Packers had gotten in. Two great offenses curbstomping two lousy defenses. Had to be more entertaining than this was.
Tony Romo's first full year as a starter. In Week 5 he led a massive last minute comeback against the Bills. The game before they played the Eagles in the clip below, Romo led the Cowboys back from a 14-27 deficit with two TD drives in the closing minutes to post a huge comeback win 28-27 win against the Lions. At that point, early in his starting career, Romo was gaining quite the Miracle Man/Comeback Kid reputation.
The situation: Under 2:30 remaining and Dallas has no timeouts. The Eagles have the ball and lead 10-6. Westbrook breaks free. If he scores a TD, the Eagles go up 17-6 and give the ball back to Dallas with a little more than 2:00 left. So it's possible that the league's new darling Captain Comeback could put together a TD, onside recovery and then a FG to send the game into OT.
OR - he can do what he did here, the Eagles can run out the clock and not give the ball back to Dallas at all (or at the very least with mere seconds remaining).
Watch and enjoy!
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Several Super Bowls ago Mike Holmgren coaching Green Bay, did the same thing against Denver. He allowed Denver's running back, can't think of his name, the guy who used to salute, to score so he could get the ball back for Favre.
It's a good strategy when you're desperate and time is running out and you'd be down less than a touchdown if the other team scores, and you have a prolific offense with a quarterback with a live arm. But alas, it didn't work out for Holmgren either.
It's a good strategy when you're desperate and time is running out and you'd be down less than a touchdown if the other team scores, and you have a prolific offense with a quarterback with a live arm. But alas, it didn't work out for Holmgren either.
Maybe its because I'm a Colts fan, but Manning's rush against the Raiders two seasons ago was highly memorable to me because it was a 27 yard rush by a guy who NEVER rushes the ball! He could have scored if he wanted, but slid instead. It was the right call.MJD did it a couple years ago and I think Manning (the one officially dubbed "The Other Manning" now) pulled up short on a keeper at the end of a game last season. Manning's went fairly unnoticed, but MJD heard from many, many unhappy fantasy fans afterwards. Jacobs just looked silly on that play- it was like he wasn't sure what he was supposed to do.
The MJD one, though, is the prime example. It made headlines and was a replay on Sportscenter all week.
I don't know how "fantasy football" works save for discussions I've overheard about it...
But it just seems absurd somehow to do this. Sure on paper, when the strategists and coaches add up how much time is left versus how many points one team is behind the other that, yes, it would make sense to drop before a touchdown and try to wind down the clock. But it just seems so absurd and silly seeing it happen. If kids look to athletes as heroes, then they must really get screwed up after seeing plays like this. This kind of behavior is part of what makes baseball work, I guess, with things like sacrifice flies, bunting and such, but it just seems antithetical to the spirit of this game. Whatever it takes to win, I guess.
I'm not advocating that they find a way through regulation to stop this kind of thing (though, in the same light that kneeling in endzone after a kickoff starts you off automatically at the twenty is fair, then obviously "kneeling" inches away from a TD when you could obviously score could possibly be regulated. It's kind of like en passant move in chess.. you didn't actually take the pawn, but they treat it like you did) because hey, I'm all for the strategy, and all that. To me, it just seems like odd, silly. It's a legal but pansy ass move.
But it just seems absurd somehow to do this. Sure on paper, when the strategists and coaches add up how much time is left versus how many points one team is behind the other that, yes, it would make sense to drop before a touchdown and try to wind down the clock. But it just seems so absurd and silly seeing it happen. If kids look to athletes as heroes, then they must really get screwed up after seeing plays like this. This kind of behavior is part of what makes baseball work, I guess, with things like sacrifice flies, bunting and such, but it just seems antithetical to the spirit of this game. Whatever it takes to win, I guess.
I'm not advocating that they find a way through regulation to stop this kind of thing (though, in the same light that kneeling in endzone after a kickoff starts you off automatically at the twenty is fair, then obviously "kneeling" inches away from a TD when you could obviously score could possibly be regulated. It's kind of like en passant move in chess.. you didn't actually take the pawn, but they treat it like you did) because hey, I'm all for the strategy, and all that. To me, it just seems like odd, silly. It's a legal but pansy ass move.
Ah, a glorified blog writer who got hired to the bigtime (CNN) and who apparently doesn't understand English worth a damn. The Pats letting the Giants take the TD has absolutely NOTHING to do with ethics. Strategy, yes, ethics, not by any definition of the word.
That Giants player was probably shocked he was barely touched running into the endzone. I'm not sure I agree with Belichick's strategy but I see why he did it.
Say it with me: You can't have "elite" without Eli. Personally I was wondering if Belichick was literally gonna blow a gasket at his team's screw ups.
Actually, if kids are looking up to sports figures as heros, then that is an excellent move for the kids to see. That player is giving up personal glory for the betterment of the team. Tonight is the perfect example. Let's pretend for a moment that Jacobs successfully downs himself. It's first down (if I recall correctly) with a minute to go and the Pats only have 1 timeout. At that range, you're all but guarenteed to score, and all they need is a FG. They can run the clock down to nothing and then kick a walkoff FG. Yeah, you can run it in and still go up, but the guy who goes down in an effort to prevent any hope of a comback is the guy who's really playing for his team.
You also need to remember that this is the same Giants team that left Rodgers less than a minute of gameplay and ended up getting burned. Brady is one of those guys that you don't want to give the ball to with any time on the clock, and if his receivers didn't suddenly go full-retard on him, he probably could have done it.
You gotta feel bad for Welker.... there were several guys who dropped big, wide open passes at the end, but he's the one the media is looking at as the one who screwed up.
That Giants player was probably shocked he was barely touched running into the endzone. I'm not sure I agree with Belichick's strategy but I see why he did it.
Say it with me: You can't have "elite" without Eli. Personally I was wondering if Belichick was literally gonna blow a gasket at his team's screw ups.
I would bet that the person that was most amazed that the Giants scored that last touchdown was the guy with the ball.....
I would bet that Belichick will blow a gasket about the screwups. he certainly did about the play he challenged, and that wasn't even a screwup.
Some good points there. I am not disagreeing with you. I think it does make for interesting discussions.
I personally have been a member of a "Giants family" all my life, and they are historically famous for screwing up when they shouldn't, so I personally think that waiting until the last few seconds to score to get ahead is pretty asinine. but that's me personally. I'd rather have the lead and secure it than secure the ball and hope I don't choke.. in football there are no guaranteed scores even from the one yard line. but that's me personally.
Interesting.
I'm not a Giants fan, but I will say - God bless those glorious bastards. Any team that gives a defeat, especially in the Superbowl, to the Patriots is a-okay in my book!
You're dead to me.
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