200 year DREAM?

[RobertScorpio]

Here we are in the 21st century. We are almost 250 (?) years away from the 'time' of TOS, and nearly 360 (?) years from the event of TNG-DS9-VOY. By that time, and hopefully GR was right, humanity would have matured. Racism, sexism, and all the over isms, would have been solved by that time.

I have always maintained that the only thing that saved the TREK version of Earth was the arrival of the Vulcans. I think we all would agree with that in someway or another. Barring the intervention of aliens, how long do you think it will really take for humanity to mature to a point where the 'isms' don't have hold over humanity? How long will it REALLY take for mankind to grow up. And have we really, really, come that far from 2 or even 1 thousand years ago?

Heck, the way the world is going? Those V reptiles could come down and eat half of our woulds's population and I think we'd be better off!!!

Robert Scorpio

 

[blakbyrd]

Barring the intervention of aliens, how long do you think it will really take for humanity to mature to a point where the 'isms' don't have hold over humanity? How long will it REALLY take for mankind to grow up?

Thousands and thousands of years more.

 

[Frodo Lives]

Actually, I'd say it was more the crew of the Enterprise-E's intervention in the meeting between humans and Vulcans that saved, and thus insured, humanity's future as a, relatively, benign galactic entity.

Without Picard/Riker extolling what a wonderful place the future become to Cochrane/Lily, they probably would have just tried to exploit the Vulcan's arrival for their own gains. Telling them that they could make something incredible come out of the whole business probably influenced them enough to make them try and change the face of humanity.

Of course that's just the face, underneath it all we'd still just be animals in the Star Trek universe, but our mask of civilisation would evolve, even if we didn't.

Don't get me wrong, I'm in no way saying that Lily and Zephram are bad people, it's just without the Ent-E's intervention they wouldn't know the effects of their actions in the long-term so may not have worked for the best possible outcome for everybody.

Another great-pre-destination paradox theory – which most people hate.

 

[watermelony2k]

i'm not sure humanity will ever grow up. Something along the lines of Firefly and BSG is probably more realistic.

 

[Sharr Khan]

Never. Humans will always remain human short of some Utopian police state intervening and telling us what we can think and believe and eat and do. Star Trek isn't our future.

Heck, the way the world is going? Those V reptiles could come down and eat half of our woulds's population and I think we'd be better off!!!

No and it kinda gets under my skin (pun intended) that those who trump out GR's "Vision" must then go and make statements like this. We would not be better off...

Me, I rather enjoy being I revel in it along with all its flaws and glories and wish no particular ills on the human species for being less then GR's vision.

We can do some awful stuff to one another but we can also discover our own grandness and brotherhood and I don't need Star Trek to tell me this.

Sharr

 

[Nebusj]

Never. Humans will always remain human short of some Utopian police state intervening and telling us what we can think and believe and eat and do.

I was thinking much the same earlier today, shortly after beating my slave and while on my way to the public hanging of the filthy heretics and moneylenders. Clearly, the moral development of society will never change by even the slightest touch without the imposition of a cruel, all-encompassing dictatorship.

 

[Apogeal Alpha01]

Actually, I'd say it was more the crew of the Enterprise-E's intervention in the meeting between humans and Vulcans that saved, and thus insured, humanity's future as a, relatively, benign galactic entity.

Without Picard/Riker extolling what a wonderful place the future become to Cochrane/Lily, they probably would have just tried to exploit the Vulcan's arrival for their own gains. Telling them that they could make something incredible come out of the whole business probably influenced them enough to make them try and change the face of humanity.

Of course that's just the face, underneath it all we'd still just be animals in the Star Trek universe, but our mask of civilisation would evolve, even if we didn't.

Don't get me wrong, I'm in no way saying that Lily and Zephram are bad people, it's just without the Ent-E's intervention they wouldn't know the effects of their actions in the long-term so may not have worked for the best possible outcome for everybody.

Another great-pre-destination paradox theory – which most people hate.

But, that future did happen. It was the Borg's interference that might have upset the apple cart and the Enterprise-E would never have have had to save humanity. They restored, or made sure what was to have happened, happened.

About the OP. The United States is the great melting pot, so if it is to happen, it'll happen here first, and then the rest of the globe. 500 years is not overly optimistic, imo.

 

[Frodo Lives]

... made sure what was to have happened, happened.

Exactly!

 

[Sharr Khan]

Never. Humans will always remain human short of some Utopian police state intervening and telling us what we can think and believe and eat and do.

I was thinking much the same earlier today, shortly after beating my slave and while on my way to the public hanging of the filthy heretics and moneylenders. Clearly, the moral development of society will never change by even the slightest touch without the imposition of a cruel, all-encompassing dictatorship.

Moral development has nothing to do with that fact that humans are more or less the same beings with the same desires and flaws they've always been, they desire the same things, act the same as they always have to one degree or another - you go out of your way to miss my point...

And yes to me later day Trek was only superficially "perfected" I wonder how many bodies Picard's ideals really stand on.

Sharr

 

[Admiral Buzzkill]

In the next century we'll change ourselves biologically - which is to say, among other things, neurologically - in order to survive. Human beings and our interactions will become more strange and less aggressive as a result. In short, we'll change human nature, so all bets are off.

 

[RobertScorpio]

In the next century we'll change ourselves biologically - which is to say, among other things, neurologically - in order to survive. Human beings and our interactions will become more strange and less aggressive as a result. In short, we'll change human nature, so all bets are off.

That was real deep, dude. Could you explain in more detail? Fascinatng stuff there!

 

[amdmiami]

. By that time, and hopefully GR was right, humanity would have matured. Racism, sexism, and all the over isms, would have been solved by that time.

Lol Star Trek is the worst when it comes to Sexism. Examples: Seven of Nine, T'Pol, ETC.

 

[FordSVT]

In the next century we'll change ourselves biologically - which is to say, among other things, neurologically - in order to survive. Human beings and our interactions will become more strange and less aggressive as a result. In short, we'll change human nature, so all bets are off.

That was real deep, dude. Could you explain in more detail? Fascinatng stuff there!

One would assume that we will develop technologies to interface directly with computers and virtual environments, as well as modify our own bodies with technology and biological enhancements. Assuming a small group of humans or AIs don't take control and limit the technology from "the rest of us", everyone would eventually have access to it if they wished.

Human greed and jealousy and hate wouldn't "go away", but they could change or manifest themselves in different ways. But that's the way it's always been: different times, different problems.