20 most Cringeworthy Scenes in the New Trek films???

[BigJake]

As far as how nuKirk acted during the test, I don't think any of the writers would've cared if we didn't like him, then.

No kidding.

 

[Commishsleer]

nuKirk seems to be a bit more unhinged and impulsive, and is not inclined to think before acting.

I thought so, too. My guess would be TOS Kirk played it out more seriously. After all, in TWOK he says he reprogrammed the simulation so it was possible to win. It's hard to say, but that could mean there was still a chance to lose if he screwed it up. He wanted what he saw to be a fair test, and he beat it. If he lost, he could at least accept there was the chance he could've won. Of course, nuKirk obviously rigged it to win no matter what. Both took a stand for the same reasons, and either is in character depending on the proportion of maturity in each Kirk at the time.

As far as how nuKirk acted during the test, I don't think any of the writers would've cared if we didn't like him, then. He didn't seem to be a very likeable guy, after all. Far too impulsive and cock-sure of himself.

Exactly. To me, he was not supposed to start out as Kirk known in TOS, but the raw material that has not been used properly. There is potential, and intelligence, but is is unused and underdeveloped.

The way I always read it was that Kirk's intelligence was the same as primeKirk, but he never applied it and never used it. Things came easily to him, so he was bored and caused trouble, got in trouble with the law and generally didn't care because he could beat anyone. Just look at his response to the cadets in Iowa:

Even after the fight he is still ready with a wisecrack. Reminds me a bit of Deadpool with the sarcasm. But, as the stakes get raised, we see that impulsive side give way to a fierce loyalty and desire to keep people from dying.

I think we start to see those glimmers in his trying to save the ship from ambush, trying to save Sulu, and even in ID and the reactor scene, it is impulsive nature that leads to him to sacrifice himself to save the ship.

For me nuKirk is still too shallow and immature. For all the inroads his character makes there's things like arbitrarily sacking Scotty, leering at Carol, making racist remarks to Spock, bitching with Uhura that rubs me the wrong way.
The Kobyashi Maru seemed like a stunt to me. To show off. To thumb his nose at the man. If I'd seen that he really thought that the test was fundamentally wrong then I could sympathise.

I'm just glad they omitted the scene where they revealed that Kirk had got his 'girlfriend' to reprogram the test for him.

I'm not denying that nuKirk is brave and true but as a person (as shown in nuTrek) I don't like him (yet). And I like all the other nuTrek characters.

 

[fireproof78]

I thought so, too. My guess would be TOS Kirk played it out more seriously. After all, in TWOK he says he reprogrammed the simulation so it was possible to win. It's hard to say, but that could mean there was still a chance to lose if he screwed it up. He wanted what he saw to be a fair test, and he beat it. If he lost, he could at least accept there was the chance he could've won. Of course, nuKirk obviously rigged it to win no matter what. Both took a stand for the same reasons, and either is in character depending on the proportion of maturity in each Kirk at the time.

As far as how nuKirk acted during the test, I don't think any of the writers would've cared if we didn't like him, then. He didn't seem to be a very likeable guy, after all. Far too impulsive and cock-sure of himself.

Exactly. To me, he was not supposed to start out as Kirk known in TOS, but the raw material that has not been used properly. There is potential, and intelligence, but is is unused and underdeveloped.

The way I always read it was that Kirk's intelligence was the same as primeKirk, but he never applied it and never used it. Things came easily to him, so he was bored and caused trouble, got in trouble with the law and generally didn't care because he could beat anyone. Just look at his response to the cadets in Iowa:

Even after the fight he is still ready with a wisecrack. Reminds me a bit of Deadpool with the sarcasm. But, as the stakes get raised, we see that impulsive side give way to a fierce loyalty and desire to keep people from dying.

I think we start to see those glimmers in his trying to save the ship from ambush, trying to save Sulu, and even in ID and the reactor scene, it is impulsive nature that leads to him to sacrifice himself to save the ship.

For me nuKirk is still too shallow and immature. For all the inroads his character makes there's things like arbitrarily sacking Scotty, leering at Carol, making racist remarks to Spock, bitching with Uhura that rubs me the wrong way.
The Kobyashi Maru seemed like a stunt to me. To show off. To thumb his nose at the man. If I'd seen that he really thought that the test was fundamentally wrong then I could sympathise.

I'm just glad they omitted the scene where they revealed that Kirk had got his 'girlfriend' to reprogram the test for him.

I'm not denying that nuKirk is brave and true but as a person (as shown in nuTrek) I don't like him (yet). And I like all the other nuTrek characters.

I don't have a problem with not liking him. It makes him feel more like a unique person, and is a credit to Pine's performance.

Also, while it may not have have been spoken clearly, I thought that nuKirk didn't think the KB test was fair and that was why he cheated. But, in his arrogance, he didn't expect to be caught.

I do agree that the deleted scene with Galia putting in the virus in the test system was unnecessary. Glad it was dropped.

 

[Nerys Myk]

It was Mitchell. Kirk describes himself as "positively grim" in "Shore Leave" when talking about Finnegan. But he was probably a Freshman at that point and I'm sure some things changed as he grew comfortable with his surroundings.

The same guy who was also described as being no "boy scout". So he's seems to have made different impressions on people.

He was at least no boy scout when it came to the ladies. We met a number of women from his past in TOS and heard of one he almost married. That doesn't have to mean he wasn't a straight arrow when it came to academy work. So it really isn't contradictory information or behavior.

I'm not saying it's contradictory, just that Kirk is complex. Mitchell's first interactions seem to be as a student while Kirk was an instructor or TA. Carol's relationship is as a romantic partner. Then there is how Kirk sees himself.

 

[Cyke101]

I don't have a problem with not liking him. It makes him feel more like a unique person, and is a credit to Pine's performance.

I have to agree. His sacking of Scotty was a very intentional move on the writers' part, as it was part of the arc that saw Kirk make a ton of mistakes and then suffer for them. After all, it turned out that Scotty was right all along about those torpedoes (and perhaps even Starfleet philosophy), and Scotty was the first to notice that something was wrong with Marcus' mission to begin with. Kirk, on the other hand, was so blinded by arrogance, rage, and vengeance that he kept making mistake after mistake, which was a nice counter to the opening scenes and the argument with Pike. And then Kirk's turnaround from selfish jerk to captain comes full circle when he chooses to sacrifice himself to save his people (then he got better, but still). Before the movie, he had the title, but not the mindset, of a captain. Now he does (at least, I hope so).

 

[Smellmet]

^This

 

[fireproof78]

I don't have a problem with not liking him. It makes him feel more like a unique person, and is a credit to Pine's performance.

I have to agree. His sacking of Scotty was a very intentional move on the writers' part, as it was part of the arc that saw Kirk make a ton of mistakes and then suffer for them. After all, it turned out that Scotty was right all along about those torpedoes (and perhaps even Starfleet philosophy), and Scotty was the first to notice that something was wrong with Marcus' mission to begin with. Kirk, on the other hand, was so blinded by arrogance, rage, and vengeance that he kept making mistake after mistake, which was a nice counter to the opening scenes and the argument with Pike. And then Kirk's turnaround from selfish jerk to captain comes full circle when he chooses to sacrifice himself to save his people (then he got better, but still). Before the movie, he had the title, but not the mindset, of a captain. Now he does (at least, I hope so).

I too, must agree. Despite my hearing complaints regarding the blood bringing Kirk back to life, it does not diminish his sacrifice, at least, not me. Kirk made the choice without knowing that he would be coming back. As you said, I hope that he has the mindset of a captain, and that it carries forward in to the 3rd film.

 

[Hypaspist]

I bet having Khan's blood transfusion somehow factors into the next movie. Kirk will probably start showing superhuman traits. How it affects his behavior, who knows!

I don't have a problem with them taking his character in new directions. As much as I like TOS Kirk, he is kind of stale and not conflicted. He was basically the public perception of JFK in space. I just don't want to see him keep acting like an immature jerk. The whole ladies man thing is getting kind of played out too. I guess it's better than them trying to make a bunch of jokes about him speaking haltingly.
At any rate, nuKirk is less annoying than Shatner starring as himself in Generations.

 

[BillJ]

I don't have a problem with them taking his character in new directions. As much as I like TOS Kirk, he is kind of stale and not conflicted.

You must have been watching a different version of TOS.

 

[Hypaspist]

I must have been.

 

[F. King Daniel]

I bet having Khan's blood transfusion somehow factors into the next movie. Kirk will probably start showing superhuman traits. How it affects his behavior, who knows!

I suspect Kirk will turn to the dark side in ST3, as a result of his transfusion. I can almost see the intro of the next movie being a happy Lucille Harewood in the playground at school, suddenly turning and brutally killing a schoolmate. Cut to deep space and the Enterprise...

Then they'll enrage the fanbase with a reverse "Amok Time" finale, where Spock has to fight a crazed, superhuman Kirk!

 

[Cyke101]

This is far-fetched because the cast is still so young, but I'd love to see Captain Pine aged by 10 years and then go up against a Will Decker type, ambitious up and comer, top of his class, with always something to prove, but just enough irreverence to question his CO at every turn.

 

[Smellmet]

I bet having Khan's blood transfusion somehow factors into the next movie. Kirk will probably start showing superhuman traits. How it affects his behavior, who knows!

I suspect Kirk will turn to the dark side in ST3, as a result of his transfusion. I can almost see the intro of the next movie being a happy Lucille Harewood in the playground at school, suddenly turning and brutally killing a schoolmate. Cut to deep space and the Enterprise...

Then they'll enrage the fanbase with a reverse "Amok Time" finale, where Spock has to fight a crazed, superhuman Kirk!

That sounds scarily possible...

 

[fireproof78]

This is far-fetched because the cast is still so young, but I'd love to see Captain Pine aged by 10 years and then go up against a Will Decker type, ambitious up and comer, top of his class, with always something to prove, but just enough irreverence to question his CO at every turn.

I don't think the aging aspect has to be there, save for a couple of years. With the losses that Starfleet has suffered, the idea of rapidly ascending officer is not farfetched.

It would take a bit of humor and examination of Kirk and his own career path to make him realize how to be a better captain after watching an insufferable whippersnapper tries to upstage him and the things he finds irritating are things that he does or used to do.

 

[xavier]

Its hard to imagine anyone not liking Kirk. I agree as well Kirk is very complex but he is one of the best characters in the new series if not the best. There, I said it even though I now Spock will always bee the fan favorite but there is definitely something more unique about Nu kirk. He has this hidden complexity to his character...more than spock does.

 

[Set Harth]

Then they'll enrage the fanbase with a reverse "Amok Time" finale, where Spock has to fight a crazed, superhuman Kirk!

And crazed, superhuman Lucille Harewood in ST4!